Packers Texans Lead Up

[MickeyDavis]

Sunday noon game.

Texans haven't been very good but have some talent. They took the Titans to the wire.

Need to get back on track. Lots to correct on both sides of the ball.

Hopefully Bakhtiari can play.

Opening line Packers -3.

[Treebeard]

Silverstein's commentary on both LaFleur's scheme and the Packers roster:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/10/18/green-bay-packers-no-match-speedy-hard-hitting-inside-linebackers/3694838001/

Silverstein: Matt LaFleur's offense no match for speedy, hard-hitting inside linebackers
Tom Silverstein
Packers News

The problem with the regular-season 49ers loss and the Buccaneers loss is that they exposed some weaknesses with LaFleur’s team, and maybe his scheme. The speedy hard-hitting defenses of the 49ers and Buccaneers destroyed his offense.

And here’s the kicker: Both of those teams were built the same way.

The 49ers had an outstanding front four with two speedy, hard-hitting inside linebackers destroying everything LaFleur wanted to do and the Buccaneers have a brick wall up front and two of the most athletic inside linebackers in the NFL.

The Packers, on the other hand, have two undrafted free agents starting in the middle, one of whom (Krys Barnes) has decent speed but at 229 pounds won’t be knocking down pins the way the 49ers’ Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw and the Buccaneers’ Lavonte David and Devin White do.

On Sunday, you could see how that position continues to separate the best teams from the Packers.

David and White were like Cooper’s hawks the way they swooped through a forest of defensive linemen and lifted quarterback Aaron Rodgers off the ground. The Packers’ offensive line, heretofore very solid, looked like its learned technique was to block in the back because the Buccaneers were rushing past them so quickly their backs were all they could see.

“It was just those guys are so fast,” Rodgers said. “They’re so good sideline to sideline. We just had a hard time getting on them in some of our zone blocking schemes, just kind of out-running some of the angles, and it’s a credit to them – not necessarily us not doing our job.

Nothing seemed to be working,” LaFleur said. “Nothing worked outside those first two drives. It was definitely a frustrating deal when they continued to bring pressure, don’t have good answers for it, can’t beat it. So, we’ll take a good hard look at the film and try to learn as much as we can from it.”

What David and White did Sunday wasn’t that different from what Warner and Greenlaw did last year when they had a combined 19 tackles, a sack and a forced fumble. (In the rematch, they only had 12 tackles and a pass break-up, but that game was over before it started.)

Across the line of scrimmage, the Packers seemed helpless.

[M-C-G]

This is exactly why I want to see more of Dillon, if they are going to go speed, counter with power. Definitely sucks not have Degaura, H back would have been handy and not sure the guy we had is a NFL player. Having a William Henderson-esque guy and plowing Dillon would have been effective in my opinion

[ReasonablySober]

Dillon looks so slow out there, though.

[Treebeard]

Dillon looks so slow out there, though.

I didn't get that impression at all. He looks plenty quick to me.

[ReasonablySober]

Every time he's touched the ball this season I feel like I'm watching the game at half speed.

[tski1972]

Every time he's touched the ball this season I feel like I'm watching the game at half speed.

Guy has had 13 carries in his first 5 games in the NFL. Maybe slow down on your assessment.

[ReasonablySober]

Every time he's touched the ball this season I feel like I'm watching the game at half speed.

Guy has had 13 carries in his first 5 games in the NFL. Maybe slow down on your assessment.

I'm not say he won't be good, I'm saying in those 13 carries he's looked slow.

[Ron Swanson]

Silverstein's commentary on both LaFleur's scheme and the Packers roster:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2020/10/18/green-bay-packers-no-match-speedy-hard-hitting-inside-linebackers/3694838001/

Silverstein: Matt LaFleur's offense no match for speedy, hard-hitting inside linebackers
Tom Silverstein
Packers News

The problem with the regular-season 49ers loss and the Buccaneers loss is that they exposed some weaknesses with LaFleur’s team, and maybe his scheme. The speedy hard-hitting defenses of the 49ers and Buccaneers destroyed his offense.

And here’s the kicker: Both of those teams were built the same way.

The 49ers had an outstanding front four with two speedy, hard-hitting inside linebackers destroying everything LaFleur wanted to do and the Buccaneers have a brick wall up front and two of the most athletic inside linebackers in the NFL.

The Packers, on the other hand, have two undrafted free agents starting in the middle, one of whom (Krys Barnes) has decent speed but at 229 pounds won’t be knocking down pins the way the 49ers’ Fred Warner and Dre Greenlaw and the Buccaneers’ Lavonte David and Devin White do.

On Sunday, you could see how that position continues to separate the best teams from the Packers.

David and White were like Cooper’s hawks the way they swooped through a forest of defensive linemen and lifted quarterback Aaron Rodgers off the ground. The Packers’ offensive line, heretofore very solid, looked like its learned technique was to block in the back because the Buccaneers were rushing past them so quickly their backs were all they could see.

“It was just those guys are so fast,” Rodgers said. “They’re so good sideline to sideline. We just had a hard time getting on them in some of our zone blocking schemes, just kind of out-running some of the angles, and it’s a credit to them – not necessarily us not doing our job.

Nothing seemed to be working,” LaFleur said. “Nothing worked outside those first two drives. It was definitely a frustrating deal when they continued to bring pressure, don’t have good answers for it, can’t beat it. So, we’ll take a good hard look at the film and try to learn as much as we can from it.”

What David and White did Sunday wasn’t that different from what Warner and Greenlaw did last year when they had a combined 19 tackles, a sack and a forced fumble. (In the rematch, they only had 12 tackles and a pass break-up, but that game was over before it started.)

Across the line of scrimmage, the Packers seemed helpless.

Silverstein on his usual rant about inside-linebackers is hardly a surprise given yesterday's outcome. He must have dozed off when the offense carved up the middle of the field against Minnesota despite Eric Kendricks being arguably the best in the business at that position?

[ReasonablySober]

Am I crazy in thinking no Ervin was a huge miss yesterday? By halftime I was wondering where in the hell all our motion was. Then they mentioned Ervin being out and I was like oh ****, that's bad.

[Profound23]

Every time he's touched the ball this season I feel like I'm watching the game at half speed.

Guy has had 13 carries in his first 5 games in the NFL. Maybe slow down on your assessment.

I'm not say he won't be good, I'm saying in those 13 carries he's looked slow.

1.) Dillon looks plenty fast to me
2.) Who cares about speed on 3rd and 1 or 1st and goal at the 3?

[Profound23]

Am I crazy in thinking no Ervin was a huge miss yesterday? By halftime I was wondering where in the hell all our motion was. Then they mentioned Ervin being out and I was like oh ****, that's bad.

Aikman "You can see the Packers really miss Ervin with the lack of motion."

Me "Well, that's why you have Jones do the motion and Williams/Dillon rotate in the backfield"

I mean we kept 4 rbs, shouldn't hurt as at all when one of them (especially one not named Jones) misses a game.

[PintSizedBox10]

Guy has had 13 carries in his first 5 games in the NFL. Maybe slow down on your assessment.

I'm not say he won't be good, I'm saying in those 13 carries he's looked slow.

1.) Dillon looks plenty fast to me
2.) Who cares about speed on 3rd and 1 or 1st and goal at the 3?

I'd hope a second round pick will get more touches than just short yardage situations.

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[HKPackFan]

Am I crazy in thinking no Ervin was a huge miss yesterday? By halftime I was wondering where in the hell all our motion was. Then they mentioned Ervin being out and I was like oh ****, that's bad.

I was wondering the same thing.

Did we scrap half the playbook with the motions because of one of our backup guys is out?

[WeekapaugGroove]

Am I crazy in thinking no Ervin was a huge miss yesterday? By halftime I was wondering where in the hell all our motion was. Then they mentioned Ervin being out and I was like oh ****, that's bad.

Aikman "You can see the Packers really miss Ervin with the lack of motion."

Me "Well, that's why you have Jones do the motion and Williams/Dillon rotate in the backfield"

I mean we kept 4 rbs, shouldn't hurt as at all when one of them (especially one not named Jones) misses a game.

Yes and yes. I do think they missed Ervin but I 100% agree they should have put Jones in that role more.

My overall thoughts while it sucks to get housed and it's ok to have some concerns I do kind of chalk it up to you have a game or two a year where **** goes wrong and you get on tilt so I'm more meh than freaking out.

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[ReasonablySober]

Am I crazy in thinking no Ervin was a huge miss yesterday? By halftime I was wondering where in the hell all our motion was. Then they mentioned Ervin being out and I was like oh ****, that's bad.

Aikman "You can see the Packers really miss Ervin with the lack of motion."

Me "Well, that's why you have Jones do the motion and Williams/Dillon rotate in the backfield"

I mean we kept 4 rbs, shouldn't hurt as at all when one of them (especially one not named Jones) misses a game.

Yes and yes. I do think they missed Ervin but I 100% agree they should have put Jones in that role more.

My overall thoughts while it sucks to get housed and it's ok to have some concerns I do kind of chalk it up to you have a game or two a year where **** goes wrong and you get on tilt so I'm more meh than freaking out.

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The problem putting Jones in that role is you take away the one big reason to have the motion in the first place: freezing linebackers and opening lanes for Jones to run out of the backfield. Sheppard is the guy who should have been running the motion, I think.

[MickeyDavis]

Line has moved from 3 to 3.5. It takes a chunk of cash to move a line off 3 or 7.

[RRyder823]

Every time he's touched the ball this season I feel like I'm watching the game at half speed.

Guy has had 13 carries in his first 5 games in the NFL. Maybe slow down on your assessment.

I'm not say he won't be good, I'm saying in those 13 carries he's looked slow.

I have no idea what your watching but he looked like he had some really good burst to me

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[ReasonablySober]

Guy has had 13 carries in his first 5 games in the NFL. Maybe slow down on your assessment.

I'm not say he won't be good, I'm saying in those 13 carries he's looked slow.

I have no idea what your watching but he looked like he had some really good burst to me

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I'm watching the (third-string) backup to the guy who's one of the quickest, most decisive backs in the league.

[humanrefutation]

Too early to judge on Dillon without seeing him out there more, but McGinn pointed out that his biggest issue thus far is that he tries to run over guys instead of making them miss. The NFL isn't the ACC.