Dolphins Lead up

Post #1 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:15 am

Xmas Noon Fox

The tiny playoff chance probably ends here. Dolphins with an extra day rest, Pack on a short week.

Mags FTW · Post #2 » by **Mags FTW** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:19 am

Don't worry, I'm sure Barry will cook something up to slow down that offense.

RubberSoul · Post #3 » by **RubberSoul** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:35 am

Somebody quick alert Barry that Hill and Waddle are fast. He didn’t get the memo that Hurts could scramble so I’m not sure he knows about these guys or not.

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Post #4 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:53 am

Miami favored by 6

Treebeard · Post #5 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:12 pm

The Fins haven't played so well in the last few weeks, so they're probably looking for a bump from home cooking. I don't follow the AFC playoff situation very much, but I think this is nearly a "must win" for the Dolphins

Wooderson · Post #6 » by **Wooderson** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 5:36 pm

Matt LaFleur: Fair to criticize Packers for not using Keisean Nixon on returns sooner

RiotPunch · Post #7 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:08 am

Wooderson wrote:Matt LaFleur: Fair to criticize Packers for not using Keisean Nixon on returns sooner

Gotta think Bisaccia was lobbying for Nixon as he was very familiar with him. LaFleur would just trust his ST coach to make the correct call there. Reeks of Gute pleading for patience for his draft investment, which would be yet another bad look for him.

Ron Swanson · Post #8 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:22 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
Wooderson wrote:Matt LaFleur: Fair to criticize Packers for not using Keisean Nixon on returns sooner

Gotta think Bisaccia was lobbying for Nixon as he was very familiar with him. LaFleur would just trust his ST coach to make the correct call there. Reeks of Gute pleading for patience for his draft investment, which would be yet another bad look for him.

You honestly think that the GM is stepping in and overruling the coaching staff on special teams assignments?

RiotPunch · Post #9 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:45 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Wooderson wrote:Matt LaFleur: Fair to criticize Packers for not using Keisean Nixon on returns sooner

Gotta think Bisaccia was lobbying for Nixon as he was very familiar with him. LaFleur would just trust his ST coach to make the correct call there. Reeks of Gute pleading for patience for his draft investment, which would be yet another bad look for him.

You honestly think that the GM is stepping in and overruling the coaching staff on special teams assignments?

Not necessarily overruling, but giving his input. I don't think that is crazy at all. Nixon was Bisaccia's guy and had no loyalty to Amari. Even he probably didn't expect Nixon to run wild like he has though. Any way you slice it, it is not great.

jakecronus8 · Post #10 » by **jakecronus8** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:13 pm

Perhaps I'm misremembering things, but I feel like Green Bay has been pretty bad in Florida in recent memory.

Besides the fact that I can totally see the Packers viewing a Miami trip as Xmas vacation and coming out flat, the Dolphins are just flat out better than Green Bay.

In the moment its hard to root against Green Bay, but my brain is telling me that they're better off losing and ending this pretend playoff run so they can evaluate for next year and beyond.

As a great man once said re: Aaron Rodgers: I just want off this ride.

UWM_Brew_Buck · Post #11 » by **UWM_Brew_Buck** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:30 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Gotta think Bisaccia was lobbying for Nixon as he was very familiar with him. LaFleur would just trust his ST coach to make the correct call there. Reeks of Gute pleading for patience for his draft investment, which would be yet another bad look for him.

You honestly think that the GM is stepping in and overruling the coaching staff on special teams assignments?

Not necessarily overruling, but giving his input. I don't think that is crazy at all. Nixon was Bisaccia's guy and had no loyalty to Amari. Even he probably didn't expect Nixon to run wild like he has though. Any way you slice it, it is not great.

Pretty crazy when the coaching staff has shown big mistakes of evaluating their own players. If Gute somehow had this power you would think he would be lobbying for Wyatt to play more.

Post #12 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:06 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Perhaps I'm misremembering things, but I feel like Green Bay has been pretty bad in Florida in recent memory.

Besides the fact that I can totally see the Packers viewing a Miami trip as Xmas vacation and coming out flat, the Dolphins are just flat out better than Green Bay.

In the moment its hard to root against Green Bay, but my brain is telling me that they're better off losing and ending this pretend playoff run so they can evaluate for next year and beyond.

As a great man once said re: Aaron Rodgers: I just want off this ride.

Supposed to be 50's and rain in Miami this weekend so that could dampen the vacation aspect.

RiotPunch · Post #13 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:11 pm

UWM_Brew_Buck wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
You honestly think that the GM is stepping in and overruling the coaching staff on special teams assignments?

Not necessarily overruling, but giving his input. I don't think that is crazy at all. Nixon was Bisaccia's guy and had no loyalty to Amari. Even he probably didn't expect Nixon to run wild like he has though. Any way you slice it, it is not great.

Pretty crazy when the coaching staff has shown big mistakes of evaluating their own players. If Gute somehow had this power you would think he would be lobbying for Wyatt to play more.

True, they have made plenty of other moronic mistakes. I'm sure he is lobbying for more Wyatt PT. His skin is on the line with these picks. Coaches are gonna do what they think is best at the end of the day, though. If they were truly braindead enough to think Amari was the right guy for that long... yikes.

PintSizedBox10 · Post #14 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:00 pm

I don't think Gute was mandating Amari be the return man. Nixon had no prior returning experience in the NFL outside of a 6 KO returns with the Raiders.

It's amazing what can happen when you finally have a returner with some speed and shiftiness, traits Amari so clearly lacked. I can't remember the last time I was actually excited to watch KO and punt returns.

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Post #15 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:10 pm

Read on Twitter

Stuff like this makes Rodgers skipping the optional camp stuff all the more grating.

Ron Swanson · Post #16 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:09 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Gotta think Bisaccia was lobbying for Nixon as he was very familiar with him. LaFleur would just trust his ST coach to make the correct call there. Reeks of Gute pleading for patience for his draft investment, which would be yet another bad look for him.

You honestly think that the GM is stepping in and overruling the coaching staff on special teams assignments?

Not necessarily overruling, but giving his input. I don't think that is crazy at all. Nixon was Bisaccia's guy and had no loyalty to Amari. Even he probably didn't expect Nixon to run wild like he has though. Any way you slice it, it is not great.

Of course he's allowed to give his input on the roster. He's the GM. It's on him for drafting a bust, but it's 100% on the coaching staff for continuing to play that bust instead of firmly planting his ass on the bench.

RiotPunch · Post #17 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:36 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
You honestly think that the GM is stepping in and overruling the coaching staff on special teams assignments?

Not necessarily overruling, but giving his input. I don't think that is crazy at all. Nixon was Bisaccia's guy and had no loyalty to Amari. Even he probably didn't expect Nixon to run wild like he has though. Any way you slice it, it is not great.

Of course he's allowed to give his input on the roster. He's the GM. It's on him for drafting a bust, but it's 100% on the coaching staff for continuing to play that bust instead of firmly planting his ass on the bench.

Don't disagree, I just wouldn't be surprised if his input extends to the field. Maybe some of that 100% blame on MLF and company is for being pushovers in heeding Gute's input a little too much. I'm no conspiracy theorist, I just think Packer hierarchy can be convoluted at times.

th87 · Post #18 » by **th87** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:26 am

ReasonablySober wrote:

Read on Twitter

Stuff like this makes Rodgers skipping the optional camp stuff all the more grating.

I continue to maintain that Pat McAfee was one of the worst things to happen to this era of the Packers.

GiannisAnte34 · Post #19 » by **GiannisAnte34** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:33 am

this is the game I expect the Packers to crash back down to Earth and then double down on "spoiling" Minnesota and Detroit for pride points. they'll end up with the 14th pick

crkone · Post #20 » by **crkone** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:40 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:Not necessarily overruling, but giving his input. I don't think that is crazy at all. Nixon was Bisaccia's guy and had no loyalty to Amari. Even he probably didn't expect Nixon to run wild like he has though. Any way you slice it, it is not great.

Of course he's allowed to give his input on the roster. He's the GM. It's on him for drafting a bust, but it's 100% on the coaching staff for continuing to play that bust instead of firmly planting his ass on the bench.

Don't disagree, I just wouldn't be surprised if his input extends to the field. Maybe some of that 100% blame on MLF and company is for being pushovers in heeding Gute's input a little too much. I'm no conspiracy theorist, I just think Packer hierarchy can be convoluted at times.

Yeah I need a flowchart for organizational decisions. What decisions do MLF and Gute have to kiss Murphy's ring for and which ones can they do themselves. What decisions do they need each other's okay for?