Aaron Rodgers Traded to Jets - Rodgers/#15/#170 for #13/#42 & conditional 2024 second/first

[MoMM]

I’m posting SOS links. Are you insinuating we should look at SOS some other way? If so, I’m assuming we are doing this for all objective/numerical arguments moving forward?

When have we not used SOS links to measure SOS? I’ve been here as long as you have.

I agree with you, but I think there are things that SOS doesn't consider, for example, playing Browns and Dolphins without their starting QB or SF with/without McCaffrey, let's say the team is a 60%, but without them it is more like 40%.

Packers is another example, facing us earlier in the season we wouldn't have Watson (injured), Amari was our returner and D was super bad. By the end of the season, Watson was playing (well), Nixon I don't even need to say anything and D was okayish. To sum up, depending on the week played you could be facing a bottom 5 team, or a top10-15 team.

Another point is that a win is a win, but it could have different margin of points, etc. SF and Vikings had the same record (13-4), but SF had a +173 in points, Vikings -3. That's why there is the discussion about being a legit 13-4 or not, for example.

Anyway, super hard to take in consideration injuries, trade, signings, rookie development, etc and there is no better way to do it right now, probably it will evolve in the future, just like the player stats evolved into advanced player stats.

[Kerb Hohl]

Rodgers has shown us, for well over a decade, that he uses any perceived slight as his defining motivational factor. If you don't think his last two MVPs were a direct result of drafting Love, you're delusional.

Hmm, so if you believe that, you also must believe that his decline this past year was due to a lack of such motivation (i.e. apathy for the Packers).

Or he was hurt and old and didn't spend any time with his new WRs.

Also he signed likely his final contract. The guy likes money. I can even put my tinfoil hat on and say that maybe he didn't put 100% into cooperating with the team because he knew he held all of the cards this year. I'm not saying he tanked, the guy played through injury so I commend him for that...but maybe he didn't listen to MLF every time because he knew if the season didn't go right, he could end up in a better roster position and he could mostly call the shots.

[Kerb Hohl]

Yeah, Sagarin which is close to any advanced metric thought the Jets were the 27th best team this year.

However, if Rodgers plays like a good QB, that makes a massive, massive difference over what they had. I don't really know how to feel about it.

You could say they played a bit of a lucky schedule/won some close games and therefore 12 is walking into a 5-12 caliber team or you could say that with a competent QB they were an 11-6 team and he is a competent QB with upside to carry them even higher.

[GBPackers47]

Yeah, Sagarin which is close to any advanced metric thought the Jets were the 27th best team this year.

However, if Rodgers plays like a good QB, that makes a massive, massive difference over what they had. I don't really know how to feel about it.

You could say they played a bit of a lucky schedule/won some close games and therefore 12 is walking into a 5-12 caliber team or you could say that with a competent QB they were an 11-6 team and he is a competent QB with upside to carry them even higher.

The 7-10 Denver Broncos were also just a QB away before going 5-12

[LUKE23]

The fact that Wilson bombed with Denver has no relation to AR/Jets.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The fact that Wilson bombed with Denver has no relation to AR/Jets.

It has some impact, it's a recent and glaring example of how this can go wrong. Now you also have counter points with Stafford and Brady. But I'm sure a front office looks at it all and Wilson's trash year probably hurts Rodgers market/value a little.

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[stillgotgame]

Arguing about having the upper hand in these negotiations is like pointing a gun at someone who's pointing a gun at you and saying "I'll kill you harder!"

Getting stuck with Aaron's roster bonus would be absolutely devastating for the Packers, and that's pretty much guaranteed. One could plausibly argue that the Jets might end up dodging a bullet by not getting a trade done, but obviously they have nearly every reason to want this to work out too.

Guns still pointing. Let's get this duel over with. Time is definitely not on our side.

[PintSizedBox10]

Yeah, Sagarin which is close to any advanced metric thought the Jets were the 27th best team this year.

However, if Rodgers plays like a good QB, that makes a massive, massive difference over what they had. I don't really know how to feel about it.

You could say they played a bit of a lucky schedule/won some close games and therefore 12 is walking into a 5-12 caliber team or you could say that with a competent QB they were an 11-6 team and he is a competent QB with upside to carry them even higher.

The 7-10 Denver Broncos were also just a QB away before going 5-12

And Denver was also in a tougher division just like NY. Even w/ Rodgers the Jets aren't waltzing to a division title.

[coolhandluke121]

Yeah, Sagarin which is close to any advanced metric thought the Jets were the 27th best team this year.

However, if Rodgers plays like a good QB, that makes a massive, massive difference over what they had. I don't really know how to feel about it.

You could say they played a bit of a lucky schedule/won some close games and therefore 12 is walking into a 5-12 caliber team or you could say that with a competent QB they were an 11-6 team and he is a competent QB with upside to carry them even higher.

The 7-10 Denver Broncos were also just a QB away before going 5-12

And Denver was also in a tougher division just like NY. Even w/ Rodgers the Jets aren't waltzing to a division title.

Russell Wilson was also coming off of a top-10 QBR season at age 33, whereas Rodgers is coming off of a bottom-7 QBR* season at age 39. His passer rating is deceiving because he can't escape pressure to save his life anymore, so QBR is a more accurate representation of his ability to produce offense. He might be sacked 60 times on the Jets, if he doesn't get injured first.

*27th - Rodgers
28th - Russell Wilson
29th - Zach Wilson

Bend them over a barrell for multiple first-rounders Gute!

[VooDoo7]

Wake me up when the deal isn't being held up anymore.

[stillgotgame]

I've finally figured out what the hold up is. Packers and Jets have agreed on compensation. It includes Corey Davis - the Jets have to trade or cut him to create enough cap room to fit Rodgers. We need to redo his contract before he gets here, as he's owed $10.5M salary for this year and that won't fit under our cap either.

But Gute can't figure out how much to pay Davis, because his RAS is incomplete.

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[ReasonablySober]

LOL so I was wrong on that one.

[stillgotgame]

If the Jets bring Lamar in for a visit this blows up.

[Mags FTW]

If the Jets bring Lamar in for a visit this blows up.

Or it's a smokescreen.

[ReasonablySober]

I'd bring him in if I were the Jets.

[skones]

If the Jets bring Lamar in for a visit this blows up.

I mean, they absolutely should based on the way the Packers are playing the game and rightfully so. HOWEVER, I think Rodgers also goes scorched earth in that situation based on the conversations he's had with them and the Jets lose out on their number 1 guy as a result.

They're kind of stuck. It's one thing if they pivot to Jackson being their guy, I just don't see it happening. They're pot committed.

[Profound23]

If the Jets bring Lamar in for a visit this blows up.

Then we can bring Lamar in for a visit here too.

[Ron Swanson]

Jackson is representing himself and the Jets would have to poison that contract offer so badly as to make Baltimore want no part in matching it. They can "bring him in" for a visit as he's technically a free agent, but I think everyone in the room would understand it's just a desperate leverage play. I'll believe Lamar to New York is a possibility when I see him in a Jets jersey.