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Re: Saints Leadup 

Post#21 » by humanrefutation » Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:15 am

Saints have a good defense. It'll be a nice test for Love.
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Post#22 » by skones » Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:28 am

The turf issue is compounded by a major footwear issue in the NFL. It's not as commonplace in the US as it is overseas, but there are soccer cleats explicitly made for Artificial Grass (AG Soleplate) specifically because aggressive sole plates can cause issues. While NFL players certainly switch up their footwear, one look at the stud patterns and it's pretty obvious that they shouldn't be wearing them on these types of surfaces.
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skones wrote:The turf issue is compounded by a major footwear issue in the NFL. It's not as commonplace in the US as it is overseas, but there are soccer cleats explicitly made for Artificial Grass (AG Soleplate) specifically because aggressive sole plates can cause issues. While NFL players certainly switch up their footwear, one look at the stud patterns and it's pretty obvious that they shouldn't be wearing them on these types of surfaces.



Which begs the question, why aren't those types of cleats used more often here?
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Post#28 » by BUCKnation » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:23 am

Saints have a good defense and will likely ugly it up a bit. Scared about the soft zone dealing with Olave and Thomas on crossing routes. That said, I don't think they are super good and we should expect to win this one, especially at home and especially if we have a shot to be a playoff team.
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Post#31 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:57 am

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Post#33 » by skones » Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:04 pm

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skones wrote:The turf issue is compounded by a major footwear issue in the NFL. It's not as commonplace in the US as it is overseas, but there are soccer cleats explicitly made for Artificial Grass (AG Soleplate) specifically because aggressive sole plates can cause issues. While NFL players certainly switch up their footwear, one look at the stud patterns and it's pretty obvious that they shouldn't be wearing them on these types of surfaces.



Which begs the question, why aren't those types of cleats used more often here?


I mean, we're talking the NFL, where under the table PEDs are likely rampant and explosion is everything. It would be a league wide transition and that's likely the reason for them not to use them. Guys wearing traditional aggressive soleplates will be at higher risk of injury but have a lot more bite to their cuts, guys with an AG soleplate would have less bite but far lower risk of injury. It's a trade off.

It would be really interesting to see injury data by position on some of these turf fields. Example, if lineman are at far higher risk, them wearing AG could probably solve quite a few issues. That's all feet in tight spaces stuff with enormous bodies, one stud sticks in the turf and it's an issue.

People change up their footwear all the time for Soccer at Uihlein for example particularly after injury in indoor. (I did not because I'm stupid, but my big slow ass needs all the help he can get) Neymar for example, with his history, has been known to wear an AG soleplate on a variety of surfaces not specifically made for them to reduce stress. It's wild that the NFL basically uses "metal (SG-Soft Ground) or really aggressive molded."
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Post#35 » by Treebeard » Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:42 pm

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skones wrote:The turf issue is compounded by a major footwear issue in the NFL. It's not as commonplace in the US as it is overseas, but there are soccer cleats explicitly made for Artificial Grass (AG Soleplate) specifically because aggressive sole plates can cause issues. While NFL players certainly switch up their footwear, one look at the stud patterns and it's pretty obvious that they shouldn't be wearing them on these types of surfaces.



Which begs the question, why aren't those types of cleats used more often here?


I mean, we're talking the NFL, where under the table PEDs are likely rampant and explosion is everything. It would be a league wide transition and that's likely the reason for them not to use them. Guys wearing traditional aggressive soleplates will be at higher risk of injury but have a lot more bite to their cuts, guys with an AG soleplate would have less bite but far lower risk of injury. It's a trade off.

It would be really interesting to see injury data by position on some of these turf fields. Example, if lineman are at far higher risk, them wearing AG could probably solve quite a few issues. That's all feet in tight spaces stuff with enormous bodies, one stud sticks in the turf and it's an issue.

People change up their footwear all the time for Soccer at Uihlein for example particularly after injury in indoor. (I did not because I'm stupid, but my big slow ass needs all the help he can get) Neymar for example, with his history, has been known to wear an AG soleplate on a variety of surfaces not specifically made for them to reduce stress. It's wild that the NFL basically uses "metal (SG-Soft Ground) or really aggressive molded."


One more sidebar and I'll leave this as a headscratcher.... Your point about the mass of OLine and Dline guys is interesting. Most of the Soccer players I can think of are not carrying that weight, and maybe basic physics (mass x acceleration) plays a key role between the sports. I'd be curious to see if World Cup level Rugby players encounter similar turf concern issues to the NFL. Some of the male players at that level are as big and as fast as NFL linemen.
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Post#36 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:49 pm

Speaking of lineman I'm surprised getting rolled up on injuries like Jenkins doesn't happen like 5 times a game to lineman on both sides. Such big bodies being thrown around.

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Re: Saints Leadup 

Post#38 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:03 pm

New Orleans has allowed 20 or fewer points in 10 straight games. That is their longest streak as a franchise and the longest streak in the league since the 2018-2019 seasons.

The Saints have allowed a league-low 7.2 quarterback rating on throws 10 or more yards downfield, allowing 8-of-26 attempts to be completed (30.8%) for 119 yards (4.6 Y/A) with three interceptions.

Jordan Love is averaging a touchdown pass once every 66.0 passing yards, the highest rate in the league. The league average is one passing touchdown for every 169.3 passing yards to open the season.

19.2% of Love’s pass attempts have been deemed inaccurate per TruMedia, the highest rate in the league.

Love has completed -8.6% of his passes below expectation, the lowest rate over the opening two weeks.

45.2% of the rushing attempts against Green Bay have gained five or more yards, the highest rate in the league through two weeks.

31.11% of the New Orleans passing yardage has come after the catch, the lowest rate in the league.
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Re: Saints Leadup 

Post#40 » by Treebeard » Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:54 am

To my feeble mind, the predictable pattern will be for Love to roll right more often to avoid the expected heavy rush from the left. That and more quick hitter passes, also to avoid the rush. I doubt he's going to have much time to set in the pocket for long downfield throws.

Gee, maybe the Saints won't program for those moves.....

If Bakh is problematic week to week and Jenkins is definitely sidelined for several weeks, MLF better start pulling some magic out of his playbook.
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