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Reddeye wrote:

RRyder823 wrote:

Reddeye wrote:
Just to make sure are you saying the Player B contract is for 15 million plus a chance to earn 7 million in incentives? Or is it a possible 30 million?

Possible 30

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Since salaries are guaranteed week 1 that is basically 23 million guaranteed.

RRyder823 wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:

RRyder823 wrote:\Arguing that extra cash flow on top of the guarantees doesn't matter at all is just being intentionally difficult (you did say the guaranteed portion is the ONLY thing that matters)

^^ That's what you said.

This is what I said:

I beg you, just look at guaranteed money. Look at what the practical value of a contract is. That's all that matters.

Please, again, look at the PRACTICAL value of the contract.

Practical includes all of the likely bonuses. You jumped into to an argument today clearly not understanding what is being discussed. What I have been arguing against is using what someone's yearly salary or APY is.

Would you rather sign a one year deal for $17 million and be the highest paid center in the league for that season? Or would you rather sign a two deal that gives you $30 million guaranteed but your average salary is $15 million per year? This is the NFL. You'd be an idiot not to take the second contract. If you'd rather go year to year, you'd just take the Franchise tag. Tell me, do you see a lot of players asking to be Franchised?

I jumped into an argument today when you started to use hyperbole to try and make a point and yet continue to deny that it was.


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ReasonablySober wrote:

RRyder823 wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:
Who gives a **** about per year? The only thing that matters is guaranteed amounts.

I'll never understand how this line of thinking ingrained itself in the minds of so many fans.

Guaranteed money is obviously a big factor, but it simply isn't true.

Cap hits are what matter both for when they're on the roster and if the team wants to move on. Yes, guaranteed money is a big part of that (exponentially so for the latter) buts it's not the "only thing that matters"

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Cap hits matter to the team. But they make no difference to the player. Guys and their agents all know the true value of the deal they're signing. Ryan Ramczyk knows that by signing his deal he's going to get cut before that last $30 million kicks in.

It's an ego boost thing for the players and a big shiny number agents can tell other potential clients. It means nothing in practical terms.

Ayt wrote:

ReasonablySober wrote:

RRyder823 wrote:I'll never understand how this line of thinking ingrained itself in the minds of so many fans.

Guaranteed money is obviously a big factor, but it simply isn't true.

Cap hits are what matter both for when they're on the roster and if the team wants to move on. Yes, guaranteed money is a big part of that (exponentially so for the latter) buts it's not the "only thing that matters"

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Cap hits matter to the team. But they make no difference to the player. Guys and their agents all know the true value of the deal they're signing. Ryan Ramczyk knows that by signing his deal he's going to get cut before that last $30 million kicks in.

It's an ego boost thing for the players and a big shiny number agents can tell other potential clients. It means nothing in practical terms.

You are contracting yourself. Cap hits absolutely make a difference for the player since they know they are going to get cut due to cap hits based on the structure of the contract, as you just stated yourself in the very same paragraph.

jimmybones wrote:Post draft one thing I'm intrigued by is the limited investment in CB and DL. The three safeties have slot ability so they essentially add depth there but they must feel good about Stokes/Vallentine/Ballentine. Same with the DL - will be interesting to see how they line up but I think they are very high on Brooks and Wooden.

Anyone wanna throw at the wall a way too early guess of starting front 7?

jimmybones wrote:Post draft one thing I'm intrigued by is the limited investment in CB and DL. The three safeties have slot ability so they essentially add depth there but they must feel good about Stokes/Vallentine/Ballentine. Same with the DL - will be interesting to see how they line up but I think they are very high on Brooks and Wooden.

Anyone wanna throw at the wall a way too early guess of starting front 7?