Would you deal up to get Calvin Johnson

Post #1 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:31 pm

knowing it would probably mean moving to #3?

Good article on him

The #3 pick is worth 2200 points.

Lets say for the sake of argument the cost to go from #16 to #3 would be:

#16
#48
#112

and next year's #1.

That's a hell of a package IMO. A 1st, 2nd, 4th and next years #1. Would it even be enough?

But from all accounts, Johnson is a once in a generation type talent. Unmatched size and speed combination.

Imagine putting Moss type speed and leaping ability into a Terrell Owens type frame, but with none of the off the field headaches. In fact, Johnson has been praised for his make-up and work ethic.

It would certainly test our scouting department. This team isn't one player away. Those 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th rounders would have to pay off to miss out on that 2nd, 4th and especially next year's 1st.

But if he prolongs Favre's career another season and eventually makes Rodgers (or whoever the successor is) into a Pro-Bowler, would anyone really care what was given up?

From that article:

"The feeling pretty much is that he'll jump right into our league and be a star."

Green Bay coach Mike McCarthy.

Post #2 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:31 am

I would not make that move.....super high pick guys carry with them more risks in the form of giant cap numbers for their rookie signing bonus. If you make a mistake, it hurts more than just blowing the pick.

I think I'd only make a move up if I felt there was a franchise QB. Everybody else it wait and pick further down or in round 2.

I think we did fine with our receivers when we had Robert Brooks and Freeman and those guys were third-rounders.

Can you guys think of a team that had a stud WR that was able to carry that team? There probably is one, but I can't think of it. Maybe Moss his rookie year, but that team still had Randall Cunningham and Cris Carter among others....

bigkurty · Post #3 » by **bigkurty** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:45 am

Hell No. This reminds me of that Ricky Williams trade. Will he be good sure. But he also is one injury or accident away from not being in the NFL. To give up 4 potential starters for one seems dumb to me and plus, where would get a running back then. Oh wait, maybe we could trade a pick for Ricky Williams.

Neusch23 · Post #4 » by **Neusch23** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:00 am

NO. We need more players, not one guy.

MikeIsGood · Post #5 » by **MikeIsGood** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:50 am

CJ is easily my favorite guy in the draft. Easily. That said, I would not do this for reasons already stated. I'm not a fan of giving up 2 firsts, a second and a fourth for one player.

Nowak008 · Post #6 » by **Nowak008** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:16 am

I think I would do it just for the fact that some scouts are calling him the best WR prospect ever. The Johnson Driver Jennings is the makings of a very good WR core.

Post #7 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:01 pm

While I am always a optimist preseason, I think it is hard to say what pick next years first will be.

wichmae · Post #8 » by **wichmae** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:05 pm

Neusch23 wrote:NO. We need more players, not one guy.

SugarRay34 · Post #9 » by **SugarRay34** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:34 pm

I would do it in a second. A guy with his talent almost never comes out and I know its not a sure thing that he pans out hes got all the tools to be one of the best WR in the league. Great size, freakish speed, and amazing hands. It is a lot to give up but he would basically be our Moss but 10 years younger. I mean he put up all these great numbers with REGGIE BALL as his starting QB. Thats got to tell you something. I think he would be Favres best weapon in his career. And after typing all this I just realized thats a whole hell of a lot to give up for 1 guy but this would be the only guy I would do it for.

Reggie White · Post #10 » by **Reggie White** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:22 pm

No way ... everyone who is referring to Calvin Johnson as a "once in a lifetime player" might be forgetting their reference to Reggie Bush as the same guy last year.

If TT wouldn't trade up from #5 to #2 last year, then there's NO WAY he'll trade up to get Johnson. Teams that are that desparate to trade up don't trust their ability to find gems in later rounds. Remember when the 49ers traded up to get JJ Stokes ... another "once in a lifetime player"?

I'm putting my trust in TT to pick at #16. I read an article somewhere that this draft has 18 solid players and then after that it's a big dropoff. I bet he can trade down from #16.

BuckPack · Post #11 » by **BuckPack** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:43 pm

Does a bear sh*t in the woods?

Hell yes, I'd do this deal. I know I've had a crush on CJ for a while now, but I truly think he is going to revolutionize the way defenses have to defend his team. Just rethink what DB said above--merging TO's body with Randy's hands and speed--and then put a solid head on the guy! wow....

I know givivng up two firsts for him is damn near insane (and typically not something I'd ever want to pursue), but next year there will be very good RBs in the second round (like a Mike Hart) that may have first round value, so I'm not as concerned as others may be at this point about that position. Moreoever, with CJ, Favr,e DRiver, Jennings etc. I have a feellign that we won't be picking very high in the draft anyway....

eagle13 · Post #12 » by **eagle13** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:33 pm

NO. Need more players and as others said - 1 player is a risk.

Rather trade for Moss and draft a bunch of good players.

Ill-yasova · Post #13 » by **Ill-yasova** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:33 pm

No, but I would trade up for LaRon Landry. What does the point system say for that.

MikeIsGood · Post #14 » by **MikeIsGood** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:13 pm

Ill-yasova wrote:No, but I would trade up for LaRon Landry. What does the point system say for that.

Well it depends where you need to move up to. I don't think he falls past Atlanta at 8, and there's the possibility he could go sooner.

Pick 6 holds 1,600 value points.
Pick 7 holds 1,500 value points.
Pick 8 holds 1,400 value points.
Pick 16 holds 1,000 value points.

Pick 47 holds 430 value points.

So if you go by the chart, our picks at 16 and 47 could move us up to 8, but Atlanta is at 8 and I think they'd stay put and take Landry.

Here's a link to the chart:
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/featur ... chart.html

BuckPack · Post #15 » by **BuckPack** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:58 pm

Ill-yasova wrote:No, but I would trade up for LaRon Landry. What does the point system say for that.

There are only two players in this draft that I'd trade up for: Adrian Peterson and Calvin Johnson. LaRon Landry isn't one of them...I have serious questions about his coverage skills. I think he'll be a very good pro and one of the leaders of your D, but I don't think he's worth giving up multiple picks for...the few times I watched LSU this season (about 3-4 times), he was burned in nearly every game. Meachem abused him on a deep ball in the game at Tennessee and he very, very badly mistimed an INT (that led to a TD) in the Sugar Bowl. Reggie Nelson's cover skills are superior in my opinion, but he doesn't have the size/speed and hitting ability of Landry. Since we already have a Landry type in Nick Collins, I'd just as soon trade down a few slots, PICK UP an extra second rounder, and grab Nelson if you think safety is a need for this team.

I personally would rather draft one of the corners than go with a safety.

Post #16 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:32 pm

Watching the two, I've always thought Nelson had the better speed and quickness.

If you go by their workout numbers, I think you could draw that conclusion.

Landry:
40 yard dash: 4.35 (tie)
20 yard dash: 2.52
10 yard dash: 1.47
20 yard shuttle: 4.36
3 cone drill: 7.11

Nelson:
40 yard dash: 4.35 (tie)
20 yard dash: 2.51
10 yard dash: 1.46
20 yard shuttle: 4.15
3 cone drill: 6.67

One thing of note, too. Landry had been listed at 6'2" all season. He measured out at 6'0" and a half. He's not even an inch taller than Nelson.

I'd be very happy with Reggie Nelson.

DigitalFool · Post #17 » by **DigitalFool** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:37 pm

There was that report that if CJ slips to #2 - Broncos have already offered their 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 2008 1st to the Lions. Generally speaking, seems like Broncos would get a steal especially if they end up near the end of the 2008 draft...

SugarRay34 · Post #18 » by **SugarRay34** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:30 am

That would be nuts. Walker and CJ with Cutler throwing bombs for the next 8 years

Post #19 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:43 pm

DigitalFool wrote:There was that report that if CJ slips to #2 - Broncos have already offered their 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 2008 1st to the Lions. Generally speaking, seems like Broncos would get a steal especially if they end up near the end of the 2008 draft...

Wow, interesting. That's pretty close to what I proposed originally.

I heard on the morning that now the plan coming out of Detroit is to take Johnson at #2 and wait. If some team offers a sweet package to the Lions to get him they'll ship Johnson off. If no team steps up to the plate they'll simply keep the best player in the draft.

God that would **** suck. I would hate to see Williams, Johnson and Furry twice a season in a Martz type offense.

BuckPack · Post #20 » by **BuckPack** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:18 pm

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Wow, interesting. That's pretty close to what I proposed originally.

I heard on the morning that now the plan coming out of Detroit is to take Johnson at #2 and wait. If some team offers a sweet package to the Lions to get him they'll ship Johnson off. If no team steps up to the plate they'll simply keep the best player in the draft.

God that would **** suck. I would hate to see Williams, Johnson and Furry twice a season in a Martz type offense.

I've heard the Denver rumor as well, but Detroit doesn't want to trade down that far in the draft. If Washington can be brought into this deal as some part of a 3-way, then I think this deal has some serious possibility. It really makes sense for all teams-Detroit gets to stay in the to 6, Denver gets Calvin, and Washington gets picks they desperately need (also of note, this also works with the Packers potentially trading up with Washington to get Adrian Peterson...the Redskins recently brought in Dwayne Bowe for a workout and are said to really like him. Since he is a serious option in the middle of the first round, it would certainly suggest that he would be a candidate if they chose to trade down. Whether washington traded with Denver or GB, they would most likely be able to draft Bowe as wel as obtain multiple first day selections.)

Wouldn't that be something? A 3-way draft deal of picks! In the NFL!!

In other news, I definitely don't see Detroit selecting Calvin. They're doing this simply to get Tampa to trde up for him and generate some sort of trade value for their #2 pick. They've been trying to trade it nearly all offseason. Another WR is not what that team needs, and regardless of how much of a can't iss Calvin Johnson is, I'm not sure Millen has the stones to draft another one. While I would take him, I just think they'll either go Adams, Thomas Quinn or trade down. They're depserately trying to get Tampa to trade with them...