Moss To Green Bay Deal Already Done?

LeopoldStotch · Post #1 » by **LeopoldStotch** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:26 pm

Star-Ledger - The Randy Moss to Green Bay talk is expected to return in earnest this weekend. The trade could happen some time Saturday or Sunday, especially if the Packers pass on a wide receiver in the first round.

Some people feel the deal already is done, but both teams do not want to lose leverage in the draft by announcing it now.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the weekend.[/quote]

mnstinks · Post #2 » by **mnstinks** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:41 pm

LJ and Moss this weekend?

Could TT really sacrifice a draft to win now?

Should be fun...but remember this time last year when some "insiders" said Green Bay had a deal with N.O. to move up and draft Bush...

LeopoldStotch · Post #3 » by **LeopoldStotch** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:51 pm

Agreed, it seems like a lot of wild rumors fly around this time, but if a deal was indeed struck, it would make sense to hold off on announcing it.

This would make sense of the talk about Favre knowing for sure that Moss will be a Packer by the time the season begins.

If this is true, we obviously don't need to draft a WR to play this season and frees us up to address RB, DB, S and/or TE in the draft.

LeopoldStotch · Post #4 » by **LeopoldStotch** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:53 pm

Oh, and I doubt the LJ deal will happen. It just doesn't feel like a TT move. If we do add Moss, we probably won't want to tie up more cap space on offense with huge money to a RB.

Post #5 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:02 pm

While I hate (no, detest...) the idea of building to 'win now', if Moss has his head on straight this is a sick offense.

1st and 4th for Johnson
2nd and 3rd for Moss

:droop:

BuckPack · Post #6 » by **BuckPack** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:04 pm

I don't think you'll see LJ as a Packer, but I still think you'll see moss in Green and Gold. He's not going back to Oakland, and barring a first round selection of a WR, I think Moss will be here.

Right now, my dream Saturday....or, should I say, my rolling the dice saturday would be....

Trade 1st, 2nd, 6th and 2008 3rd round pick to Washington for the rights to Adrian Peterson

Draft Marcus Thomas, Florida DT in round 3.

Trade 4th round pick for Randy Moss

(Moss and Thomas...yowsers...)

mnstinks · Post #7 » by **mnstinks** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:18 pm

BuckPack wrote:I don't think you'll see LJ as a Packer, but I still think you'll see moss in Green and Gold. He's not going back to Oakland, and barring a first round selection of a WR, I think Moss will be here.

Right now, my dream Saturday....or, should I say, my rolling the dice saturday would be....

Trade 1st, 2nd, 6th and 2008 3rd round pick to Washington for the rights to Adrian Peterson

Draft Marcus Thomas, Florida DT in round 3.

Trade 4th round pick for Randy Moss

(Moss and Thomas...yowsers...)

Giving up a lot for AP...

BuckPack · Post #8 » by **BuckPack** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:26 pm

DrugBust wrote:While I hate (no, detest...) the idea of building to 'win now', if Moss has his head on straight this is a sick offense.

1st and 4th for Johnson
2nd and 3rd for Moss

won't have to give up nearly that much to get Moss and I question whether the Packers can afford both Johnson and Moss. Personally, I'd rather go after AP than Johnson....

LeopoldStotch · Post #9 » by **LeopoldStotch** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:46 pm

AP is a stud, but is he worth sacraficing the rest of your draft? I think his injury risk is too high for such a manuever. This team has too many holes and we really need to create some depth by acquiring as many picks as possible, not trading them away.

That said, I would trade a pick for Moss, but I think he can be had later in the summer after the Raiders cut him.

Post #10 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:46 pm

I think if Davis is privately saying he wants a 1st (which he won't get), he won't accept anything less than a 2nd, and more likely a 2nd and 3rd.

BuckPack · Post #11 » by **BuckPack** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:11 pm

DrugBust wrote:I think if Davis is privately saying he wants a 1st (which he won't get), he won't accept anything less than a 2nd, and more likely a 2nd and 3rd.

I think the Al Davis demanding a first rumor has been sitting around from the very beginning, but in reality everyone knows the terms won't be anywhere near that. I would think the Raiders have come off that , but ot be honest, I believe this deal has been talked about mroe through the back channels (through Moss' agent) than between the organizations. I don't think there's enough of a market for Al to demand that high of compensation.

I don't think the Packers would bite on a 2nd and 3rd (nor would I want them to...I'd rather take Sidney rice in the Second and a DB, like Scott, or Gattis in the 3rd)...hell, I dont' think they'd bite on a 2nd. I keep reading that Moss is refusing to go back, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he gets released down the road. If moss isn't traded on draft day, I'd expect some noise coming from his agent in the media. I'll be more shocked to see Randy in an Oakland uniform next year than see Adrian Peterson on the Packers.

Post #12 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:59 pm

Hopefully this is a case of calling their bluff, after the Raiders decided they can not afford to pass up on Calvin Johnson.

Neusch23 · Post #13 » by **Neusch23** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:35 pm

We should be able to afford both LJ and Moss. I personally think that you will see Moss take a fairly decent pay cut.

Also, I think that the LJ deal would be more important than Moss since I see us as a running team once Favre retires, which would probably be at seasons end.

If we trade for LJ we could structure things for this season (most likely his only season with Favre) to work better under the cap...

Then when Favre and his huge cap number are gone, we are back in business.

Do I think any of this is really possible? Yes, but extremely unlikely.

Nowak008 · Post #14 » by **Nowak008** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:45 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:Hopefully this is a case of calling their bluff, after the Raiders decided they can not afford to pass up on Calvin Johnson.

great avatar.

Post #15 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:59 am

Nowak008 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

great avatar.

If only I could attach sound to it.

DigitalFool · Post #16 » by **DigitalFool** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:09 am

Neusch23 wrote:We should be able to afford both LJ and Moss. I personally think that you will see Moss take a fairly decent pay cut.

If I've got the right sources, Packers have 14 million left in cap space. 5 million will ultimately be reserved for the draftees (I guess you can argue we won't have a 1st rnd pick if we trade, but anways...), leaving 9 million. This will not be enough to get both LJ AND Moss - since usually we'll keep 2-3 million for regular season signings (and pre-season cuts).

I don't really see anyway Moss would want less money, doesn't make any sense. The only advantage the Packers have is how they have structured a lot of contracts AND we can count on a steady increase in the cap in years to come (and yes, when/if Favre hangs it up).

Fact of the matter, we won't be getting both...and I don't want both.

Neusch23 · Post #17 » by **Neusch23** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:20 am

DigitalFool wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

If I've got the right sources, Packers have 14 million left in cap space. 5 million will ultimately be reserved for the draftees (I guess you can argue we won't have a 1st rnd pick if we trade, but anways...), leaving 9 million. This will not be enough to get both LJ AND Moss - since usually we'll keep 2-3 million for regular season signings (and pre-season cuts).

I don't really see anyway Moss would want less money, doesn't make any sense. The only advantage the Packers have is how they have structured a lot of contracts AND we can count on a steady increase in the cap in years to come (and yes, when/if Favre hangs it up).

Fact of the matter, we won't be getting both...and I don't want both.

Well, everything I have read, Moss is restructuring his contract...I would think he would have to, or we would just wait for them to cut him, then try and sign him.

Also, who is to say that we don't cut some players? Do we really think that if Moss comes here that Fergy is going to stay? What about KGB? There are some players that I think will get cut this summer...depending on our draft.

What type of cap space do we clear up if we cut Ferg and KGB? Anyone know?

I still don't think that we get LJ, however great it would be....but what ever.

DigitalFool · Post #18 » by **DigitalFool** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:37 am

Neusch23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, everything I have read, Moss is restructuring his contract...I would think he would have to, or we would just wait for them to cut him, then try and sign him.

Also, who is to say that we don't cut some players? Do we really think that if Moss comes here that Fergy is going to stay? What about KGB? There are some players that I think will get cut this summer...depending on our draft.

What type of cap space do we clear up if we cut Ferg and KGB? Anyone know?

Right, he HAS to restructure for the Packers to take him on, but I'm just saying he isn't going to take chump change - our best bet would be to back load if we do get LJ.

I don't know how much we'll save on this years cap, I would guess maybe 4 million? We'll take a few more cap hits in 08 and 09 on KGB...I think

Reggie White · Post #19 » by **Reggie White** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:08 am

It might be TT trying to see if he can trade down to pick up a pick or more that he can then trade to the Raiders for Moss?

A 2nd and a 3rd for a player who clearly is on the downside of his career and isn't mentally with the team is WAAAAY too much.

I'm guessing the "fair" trade is a 3rd - 5th rounder for him, depending on whether Davis or TT blinks first.

KeyRabbit · Post #20 » by **KeyRabbit** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:46 am

TT keeps referencing that the real improvement on the team will come from the continued development from the younger players, and I completely believe him. Even though it is really fun to speculate, I'd be shocked if there was a trade for a veteran player (unless it involves a current Packers vet, which is extremely rare) .

He's just better off making his choices, improving the team's talent pool, and hoping that more than 1 or 2 of them develop into blue chip players. It worked for him in Seattle...well, mostly after he left, but still...