Why not Leon Hall or Reggie Nelson at #16??

jviers77 · Post #1 » by **jviers77** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:58 pm

The D-Line is fairly young. Harris and Woodson aren't getting any younger. Leon Hall would've been a great guy to learn the system for a couple years before having to start at corner.

Nelson is a playmaking safety, something we haven't had since Sharper was in his prime.

Harrell could be really good, but I didn't see D-Line as a huge need, at least not with a first round pick.

BuckPack · Post #2 » by **BuckPack** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:14 pm

I don't like Hall at all and think he'll be exposed in the NFL. His fast forty time does not translate to playing speed, and I can't justify selecting him after seeing Dwayne Jarrett absolutely destroy him in the Bowl game. Harrell was a far better pick here than Hall. I would have been very dissatisfied with Hall.

Nelson, IMO, is another animal...I really like him and think he will be a very solid safety in the NFL. Draftin him would most likely have meant a position switch for Collins (moving to the SS), so I think the PAckers were more intent on getting a SS than a centerfield type (which is what Nelson is best at). If the Packers had decided to trade down a few slots into the early 20's, I think Nelson would have made a lot more sense, but it's doubtful he would have lasted.

I like the idea of building up the D line, particularly after the 'Queens took Peterson. Furthermore, since TT hung his hat on the Hawk pick at 5 last year (instead of looking to improve his offense with someone like Davis, Vernon), he needs to do everything to eploit Hawk's playmaking ability. Having Harrell and Pickett in the middle of the D should free up Hawk and Barnett in particular to make plays all over the field. We should ahve a very SOLID front 7 next year.

As for the secondary, we have a young DB in Blackmon who should be a starter down the road, and with at least 2 years left with Harris and Woodson, I think we can afford to wait another year to bring in a CB to groom.

BuckPack · Post #3 » by **BuckPack** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:44 pm

If you want to play the "why not" game, I think the better question is why not Meachem at 16, if you're not going to get Moss at the end of the day? I really think the Packers beleived they were going to get Moss, so they passed on Meachem. If they had the knowledge today that Moss was going to the Pats, I wouldn't be surprised if they would draft MEachem instead....

MajorDad · Post #4 » by **MajorDad** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:56 pm

the non draft of meachum sounds like Tt overplayed his hand. he thought he had a deal done. he should have closed that deal before the draft started rather than trying to milk it for all it was worth.

it was kind of odd billicheck said he called moss at 2 Am Sunday morning. Obviously, Tt went to sleep thinking he had a done deal. a lot of TT's Sunday moves liked they were trying to cover the mistakes of Saturday.

Profound23 · Post #5 » by **Profound23** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:08 pm

If you want to play the "why not" game, I think the better question is why not trade down with Cleveland and take on their 2008 1st round pick....or with San Fran and do the same thing?

Why not have.....

Took the place of the Jags and traded #16 to the Broncos for #21, #86 and #198.

Then I would have then took the place of Dallas and traded #21 to the Browns for #36 and the Browns 2008 1st round pick.

I would have then took the place of Dallas and traded #36, #86 and #157 to Philly for #26.

I would have then took the place of New England and traded #26 to San Fran #110 and San Fran

MajorDad · Post #6 » by **MajorDad** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:34 pm

once again, a poster proves my point. Almost anybody with some football knowledge could draft just as well or even better than TT. I have no idea why people think TT is so smart and at the same time think posters here are incapable of making smart draft choices. how muc h intelligence did it take TT to pick hawk last year? and he almost blew that pick. We must thank Houston last year.

Post #7 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue May 1, 2007 3:00 am

MajorDad wrote:once again, a poster proves my point. Almost anybody with some football knowledge could draft just as well or even better than TT. I have no idea why people think TT is so smart and at the same time think posters here are incapable of making smart draft choices. how muc h intelligence did it take TT to pick hawk last year? and he almost blew that pick. We must thank Houston last year.

So last season you would have drafted Jimmy Williams, Lendale White or Winston Justice in #2 last season. Brian Calhoun in the 3rd. Darnell Bing in the 4th. Gabe Watson in the 5th. Jesse Mahelona in the 6th. Reggie McNeal in the 7th.

Someone with a Smith and Street would have made those picks last season. Those were the names. None of them did much last season, if anything.

But TT took a lot of guys no one had ever heard of save some of the more hardcore draftniks and his draft class was top 3.

How on Earth can anyone say how well TT's draft is at this point? Maybe a lot of those big names absolutely suck in the pros.

Neusch23 · Post #8 » by **Neusch23** » Tue May 1, 2007 3:57 am

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So last season you would have drafted Jimmy Williams, Lendale White or Winston Justice in #2 last season. Brian Calhoun in the 3rd. Darnell Bing in the 4th. Gabe Watson in the 5th. Jesse Mahelona in the 6th. Reggie McNeal in the 7th.

Someone with a Smith and Street would have made those picks last season. Those were the names. None of them did much last season, if anything.

But TT took a lot of guys no one had ever heard of save some of the more hardcore draftniks and his draft class was top 3.

How on Earth can anyone say how well TT's draft is at this point? Maybe a lot of those big names absolutely suck in the pros.

+1

SugarRay34 · Post #9 » by **SugarRay34** » Tue May 1, 2007 4:01 am

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So last season you would have drafted Jimmy Williams, Lendale White or Winston Justice in #2 last season. Brian Calhoun in the 3rd. Darnell Bing in the 4th. Gabe Watson in the 5th. Jesse Mahelona in the 6th. Reggie McNeal in the 7th.

Someone with a Smith and Street would have made those picks last season. Those were the names. None of them did much last season, if anything.

But TT took a lot of guys no one had ever heard of save some of the more hardcore draftniks and his draft class was top 3.

How on Earth can anyone say how well TT's draft is at this point? Maybe a lot of those big names absolutely suck in the pros.

Another perfect post by DB. TT finds the talents that he thinks can fit our system. I swear the Cardinals used to draft just by name over the past 4 or 5 years. Every draft it seemed like they always took Best name availabe in rounds 3-7 and it got them nowhere. TT has come in and put together 1 good draft and 1 excellent draft and people are ripping him. I just dont understand it.

Mags FTW · Post #10 » by **Mags FTW** » Tue May 1, 2007 8:03 am

TT is just in a no-win situation with lots of people. They'll find anything to bitch about.

The Harrell pick: "Wahhhhhh!!! He doesn't fill a need!"

The Jackson pick, which filled a need: "Wahhhhh!!! Bush and Pittman were still there and my Sporting News draft guide only had Jackson as the 6th rated RB! Surely the writers at Sporting News know more than a former player and GM and a group of coaches and scouts!"

Profound23 · Post #11 » by **Profound23** » Tue May 1, 2007 12:22 pm

DrugBust wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So last season you would have drafted Jimmy Williams, Lendale White or Winston Justice in #2 last season. Brian Calhoun in the 3rd. Darnell Bing in the 4th. Gabe Watson in the 5th. Jesse Mahelona in the 6th. Reggie McNeal in the 7th.

Someone with a Smith and Street would have made those picks last season. Those were the names. None of them did much last season, if anything.

But TT took a lot of guys no one had ever heard of save some of the more hardcore draftniks and his draft class was top 3.

How on Earth can anyone say how well TT's draft is at this point? Maybe a lot of those big names absolutely suck in the pros.

Funny thing is Ted said he wanted Calhoun last year and he was burned by trading down so he decided not to trade down as much this year.

jviers77 · Post #12 » by **jviers77** » Tue May 1, 2007 1:44 pm

Michael Bush is questionable as to whether he'll ever be his old self. Did anybody see that workout video? He looked overweight and jogged like a 65 year old gym teacher.

I would've liked to see Meechum, trading down and picking up another pick or 2. I agree that Thompson thought they had Moss in uniform when he went to bed Saturday night.

We can all second guess, but I think Ted knows what he's doing, but I also think he got caught with his pants down and had to scramble on Sunday to fill some holes.

xTitan · Post #13 » by **xTitan** » Tue May 1, 2007 10:47 pm

MajorDad wrote:once again, a poster proves my point. Almost anybody with some football knowledge could draft just as well or even better than TT. I have no idea why people think TT is so smart and at the same time think posters here are incapable of making smart draft choices. how muc h intelligence did it take TT to pick hawk last year? and he almost blew that pick. We must thank Houston last year.