If the Packers are sub .500 does Ted get the AX!?

[deep throat]

This is his third year and with a strange off-season the natives are very restless. If the Packers go 7-9 or worse does he get the ax? If they do I personally would like to see a change and make it someone without any ties to Holmgren and Wolf. The new President needs to go out and find the best guy possible. I think Ted could be a decent behind the scenes guy heading the draft, it just is getting clearer to me he doesn't have the makeup to be "the" guy.

[MickeyDavis]

Normally I would say no, he does not. But Harlan is out, Jones is in. TT is a Harlan hire. Jones may want his own guy in there.

[deep throat]

Normally I would say no, he does not. But Harlan is out, Jones is in. TT is a Harlan hire. Jones may want his own guy in there.

I agree. I think it actually is a goodthing we get some new blood in there and he seems to have a retty good resume. The string of Holmgren connections has got to go-Holgren -Rhodes -Sherman - M3 (Ted Thompson). All Harlan did was ask Wolf which one of the old staff he should hire. In my opinion this has led to some non-qualified hires.

[dedned]

the good thing bout ted not spending any money is that the next guy will have a bunch of dough to spend. Hopefully that'll be next year.

[paulpressey25]

I'm concerned about Harlan's successor John Jones. I have to be honest and say that nothing I've seen about this guy impresses me at all.

I wouldn't depend on John Jones to bail us out of anything....that guy seems worse than TT.

Now, I've never met the guy in person, so maybe he's brilliant. He just seems to me to be another guy who was loyal to Ron Wolf, can work some salary cap numbers, but isn't cut out to be running the whole thing.

[LUKE23]

He's gone if we don't finish .500 IMO.

[deep throat]

I'm concerned about Harlan's successor John Jones. I have to be honest and say that nothing I've seen about this guy impresses me at all.

I wouldn't depend on John Jones to bail us out of anything....that guy seems worse than TT.

Now, I've never met the guy in person, so maybe he's brilliant. He just seems to me to be another guy who was loyal to Ron Wolf, can work some salary cap numbers, but isn't cut out to be running the whole thing.

You never know-the thing I like is he at least has some experience with the Jags and doesn't seem to have any meaningful links to Wolf, Ted, and the old guard. The guy must have a lot of aspiration because he went from a Journalism teacher to Packer President. Seems like he has been agressive getting his way to the top-that kind of person isn't going to let something stand in his way. If he believes Ted is the wrong guy he wont hesitate. What kind of background did Harlan have?

[showtimesam]

If they are under .500 but they show signs of having alot of young talent on the verge of becoming a playoff team, I say don't dump him.
Let's see this team continue to grow, I saw alot of good signs last year.

[xTitan]

I think TT is doing a good job rebuilding a team that was pretty much in shambles when he took it over. The defense, at least on paper, seems to be 100 times better then it was under Sherman and TT has taken steps to rebuild what was an old offensive line with no one in reserve. I think you do build from inside out and I like some of the young talent on both lines.

Plus I am getting real sick of whiny Brett Favre and those whiny fans who still think he is anything more then and decent QB, he is not and he should have manned up 2 years ago and asked to be traded because GB was in an obvious rebuilding mode and if he wanted to make a run with whatever he has left I think most intelligent Packer fans would agree. This team is probably a couple years away from making a real run, if Favre can't accept that then move on, thats how life works. I am very happy a lazy,malcontent like Moss is not here, at this point I would much rather have Jennings starting anyway, so if all this heat is because of an idiot like Moss I feel sorry for a fanbase that is actually supposed to know a little bit about the game and appartently doesn't. If you all want Moss so bad wait until sometime after week #6 when the Pats cut his lazy, not going over the middle a$$.

[El Duderino]

I think it depends how they look

If we are get our asses handed to us most games or finish say 4-12 or 5-11,there will be lots of negative fan pressure on Jones to make a move given how unpopular Thompson is.If though the young guys look good and the losses are close,my guess is Thompson will be given another year.

You can go 6-10 or 7-9 while looking like winning is far away or you can go 6-10/7-9 while looking like things are close to coming together.

[LUKE23]

Not a bad post xtitan, but how much do you want to wager that Moss lights it up next year in NE????

A fourth rounder and $3M for Moss is an absolutely no brainer, almost no risk move. You do that for a team that badly needs a deep threat, plain and simple.

TT has done a good job drafting, but he has done overall a very poor job of developing the offense. The offense was awful in the red zone last year and it appears it will be more of the same next year. Brandon Jackson was a very questionable RB selection, and we still don't have a TE worth jack in the passing game.

His 2006 offseason was MUCH BETTER. Not impressed at all by this one.

[Reggie White]

There is no way that TT should be fired after this season. McCarthy was a first year coach last year, the players that TT drafted are starting to contribute ... I would say both TT and McCarthy have AT LEAST this year and next.

They also might luck out and get a mulligan next year because Favre retires after this year because they didn't help him on offense ... nice way to build job security, eh?

[xTitan]

Not a bad post xtitan, but how much do you want to wager that Moss lights it up next year in NE????
A fourth rounder and $3M for Moss is an absolutely no brainer, almost no risk move. You do that for a team that badly needs a deep threat, plain and simple.

TT has done a good job drafting, but he has done overall a very poor job of developing the offense. The offense was awful in the red zone last year and it appears it will be more of the same next year. Brandon Jackson was a very questionable RB selection, and we still don't have a TE worth jack in the passing game.

His 2006 offseason was MUCH BETTER. Not impressed at all by this one.

While we are wagering I will bet Brandon Jackson has an excellent rookie season. I think Moss may have problems in NE but if somehow he can handle the fact that team has alot of other weapons he might be OK, but evidence proves that he has NEVER been able to handle the fact he is not the man. Moss's strength is the fly pattern, he is a coward who does not go over the middle, I just can't see Tom Brady throwing alot of fly passes up for grabs, he is not a gambler, he is to intelligent for that. For the sake of arguement lets say Moss does have a very good year, that certainly does not mean he would have had that type of year on a young Packer team, he has much more veteran talent on NE and dare I say a much better QB.

[El Duderino]

If you all want Moss so bad wait until sometime after week #6 when the Pats cut his lazy, not going over the middle a$$

Wanna put 100 bucks on that Titan?200 bucks?

Name the amount and i'mgame

[BuckPack]

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While we are wagering I will bet Brandon Jackson has an excellent rookie season. I think Moss may have problems in NE but if somehow he can handle the fact that team has alot of other weapons he might be OK, but evidence proves that he has NEVER been able to handle the fact he is not the man. Moss's strength is the fly pattern, he is a coward who does not go over the middle, I just can't see Tom Brady throwing alot of fly passes up for grabs, he is not a gambler, he is to intelligent for that. For the sake of arguement lets say Moss does have a very good year, that certainly does not mean he would have had that type of year on a young Packer team, he has much more veteran talent on NE and dare I say a much better QB.

This post is nearly entirely inaccurate. The only time Moss "wasn't the man" was when minnesota also had Chris Carter. Those were his best years-both on and off the field, and he certainly proved that he didn't care about "not being the man." In fact, if there's one thing you could say about Moss, it would be the complete opposite--he can't handle "being the man" like he was when Carter left and after he was traded to Oakland.

But the one argument that I don't understand is the thoguht that he would ruin the locker room. I can't understand why so many reasonable people on this board think that Moss will ruin this "young" and impressionable team...I'm sure Favre, Driver, Harris, Kampman, etc. would just sit around and let Moss destroy the locker room. Gimme a break, that is such a cop out excuse. Moreover, even if Moss could tell all of those vets, Driver and FAVRE in particular, where to stuff it, who would he be influencing? What young player would buy into these Moss hypotheticals? AJ Hawk? Greg Jennings? Spitz/Colledge? Those guys really seem like pushovers who have spent their entire collegiate and brief NFL career on getting by just on talent alone and certainly not hard work and effort. Come on guys, that's a dumbass argument and flies in the face of the guys that TT has brought in the last few years. Moss couldn't ruin a team with a QB who's word is paramount for the franchise (for better or worse). That argument makes little sense.

Moss would have had a huge year on the Packers. He wants one more big contract (even moss haters CANNOT dispute this), his skill set matches EVERYTHING this team's offense lacks, and he would have been surrounded by a strong veteran presence on offense. But since this is all a hypothetical, it's an absolute waste of time. If Moss has a big year and is not a distraction on/off the field in NE, then all of you who said GB shouldn't go after him b/c of those issues will be proven wrong.

[deep throat]

If you all want Moss so bad wait until sometime after week #6 when the Pats cut his lazy, not going over the middle a$$

Wanna put 100 bucks on that Titan?200 bucks?

Name the amount and i'mgame

I'll take some of that action

[Jollay]

I think TT is doing a good job rebuilding a team that was pretty much in shambles when he took it over. The defense, at least on paper, seems to be 100 times better then it was under Sherman and TT has taken steps to rebuild what was an old offensive line with no one in reserve. I think you do build from inside out and I like some of the young talent on both lines.

Plus I am getting real sick of whiny Brett Favre and those whiny fans who still think he is anything more then and decent QB, he is not and he should have manned up 2 years ago and asked to be traded because GB was in an obvious rebuilding mode and if he wanted to make a run with whatever he has left I think most intelligent Packer fans would agree. This team is probably a couple years away from making a real run, if Favre can't accept that then move on, thats how life works. I am very happy a lazy,malcontent like Moss is not here, at this point I would much rather have Jennings starting anyway, so if all this heat is because of an idiot like Moss I feel sorry for a fanbase that is actually supposed to know a little bit about the game and appartently doesn't. If you all want Moss so bad wait until sometime after week #6 when the Pats cut his lazy, not going over the middle a$$.

Paragraph 1, I agree.

Paragraph 2, mostly ridiculous. Forget young, we were 31st in the NFL in red zone scoring and 20 million under the cap and the GM did nothing. Any QB would be unhappy about that, its hardly whining.

Brett Favre is better than 60 percent of the QBS out there right now...and he brings intangibles and a leadership ability that guys like Eli Manning, Jason Campbell, Aaron Rodgers may never have.

Maybe average, (I would say still above average considering his young line and lack of weapons), and certainly alot better than anyone in the division has.

[Neusch23]

I don't see it. even if the team totally bombs, I don't see.

Like I said before, I am not a huge fan, and I have met the guy.....he is just as big of a doofer in person.

Personally I think that is all about football. He lives it. Problem with that is that he over thinks everything.....instead of just doing what it takes to get the team he wants.

Like Wolf said, if there is a player you really want, go get him, with in reason....if you have to over pay a little you can make up for it else where. we would not have to had over pay to get moss.

[eagle13]

Green Bay Packers are very conservative organization. Even if Pack suck I'd be very surprised if TT is canned.

I hopeful TT's draft is awesome and Pack goes 7-9 while young guys look great - especially OL & DL & LB & RBs Jackson, Morency and Mirree. Then TT looks very good.

[ReasonablySober]

Green Bay Packers are very conservative organization. Even if Pack suck I'd be very surprised if TT is canned.

I hopeful TT's draft is awesome and Pack goes 7-9 while young guys look great - especially OL & DL & LB & RBs Jackson, Morency and Mirree. Then TT looks very good.

My hope as well.