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It seems as if Moss has tried hard to say all the right things. But it's obvious, too, that he has done all the right things.

During the first two days of minicamp, counting every warm-up and every drill, Moss had only one dropped pass. He has worked to assimilate the offense and to learn the different wide receiver positions, something that the mix-and-match Belichick style demands. And the New England brain trust remains as convinced now as it was the day it acquired Moss that his drop-off in production over the past three years is far more reflective of the situation he was in than an erosion of his physical skills.

Moss hinted, after Wednesday's practice, that he agrees with that assessment.

"The football side of not winning," he said, had a lot to do with the last three seasons. "Winning brings a lot of joy. And with losing comes a lot of sorrow. Hopefully, we can all come together here, me included, and win a lot of games."

DigitalFool wrote:I hope we don't have to hear the 'what if's' all season regarding Moss - if he flops we would have the 'told you so' pundits arguing he would have done no good on our young team, but be successful in poisoning the team and bringing the negative attitude on a weekly basis. If he has a pro bowl or Moss of old flashback, some would be calling for people's heads as this would have been the 'missing link' to a successful season making a playoff push.

I mean really, how are we to know...I think the fact is, there is no way we can evaluate how Moss does at NE and translate it to the Packers as 'what if'. We have what we have, let us move forward with it as Packer fans. I can't imagine staring over my shoulder all season by evaulating on how Moss did week in and week out...Go PACKERS!!

DrugBust wrote:Like many have said, the NE and Packers situations are 100% different. How Moss does in NE has absolutely no relevance on how he would have done in GB.

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i disagree. sure NE is a better "fit" but I don't think you'd see the Oakland Moss in GB--in fact, the very FACT that he wanted to come to GB shows that he realized they were different situations and would therefore act differently.

If he does well in NE, I think it would be shortsighted to attribute all of his "growth" to NE's influence. There are far more motivating factors propelling Randy to change than just those related to NE (namely $$).

I don't want to get into this argument again, but I will emphasize, as I did before, that it'd be foolhardy to think that Moss would ONLY change in NE. The guy wants to continue playing football (most improtantly, getting paid big dollars to continue playing football), and if he had another season comparable to Oakland 2006, I don't think it's a stretch to say he'd be out of football in a year. That's motivation to change. And that's not exclusive to NE. Sure there are more aspects of NE to help keep him in line, but ultimately it's up to Randy and Randy alone to decide to change--I think he'd listen more to his pocketbook than Teddy Bruschi, but maybe i'm just a bit more pessimistic about professional athletes.

DrugBust wrote:How Moss does in NE has absolutely no relevance on how he would have done in GB.

Ayt wrote:I expect him to have a huge year yet I don't care that he's not in GB. Actually, the funny thing is Moss himself talks specifically about his motivation. From the OP:

And the New England brain trust remains as convinced now as it was the day it acquired Moss that his drop-off in production over the past three years is far more reflective of the situation he was in than an erosion of his physical skills.

Moss hinted, after Wednesday's practice, that he agrees with that assessment.

"The football side of not winning," he said, had a lot to do with the last three seasons. "Winning brings a lot of joy. And with losing comes a lot of sorrow. Hopefully, we can all come together here, me included, and win a lot of games."


If he came to the Packers and they again missed the playoffs -- likely given our schedule even with Moss -- I'm sure he'd be just as shiny and happy as he will be on a 13-14 win, SB favorite like NE.

LeopoldStotch wrote:I think we have to take a wait and see approach with Moss. Plenty of guys can light it up in shorts. Obviously, this guy is more talented than most, but there's a reason 2 franchises have given up on this dude already.

NE is taking quite a risk bringing him in. Granted, winning heals all problems, but if for some reason they're not as good as everyone thinks, they could regret bringing this guy on board.

Yes, the Packers didn't have much to lose in bringing him in, but it would've stunted the growth of our young WRs. It's not like Moss puts us in the super bowl (or even the playoffs necessarily), so what's the point?

Randy Moss: Playing When He Wants to Play?
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Tuesday, June 12, 2007

Update: Though Moss mostly said the right things upon his arrival to the Patriots and did make a few nice catches while on display at minicamp, there has been some criticism that the wideout went less than all out during the team's recent workouts, the Boston Herald reports.

Recommendation: Be it giving the impression that he was gliding at times or his less than stellar performance in wind-sprints, he didn't exactly dazzle onlookers while under the microscope. That said, minicamp is not supposed to be an all-out affair and Moss can earn some redemption with a strong straining camp. Until then, the jury is still out on whether he can regain his all-world form in his new, seemingly-ideal situation.

th87 wrote:Right - what's the point in even playing any of the games? We already know we'll suck. Let's just put the season through a simulator and reload for next season.

Our schedule likely means a 6-10 finish.