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On offense "suspect" -TE, RB, OG-Spitz, -depth all over. Neither Bjack or Morency has "greatness" potential. Morency has issues and BJACK is a 4.58 guy. The TEs are horrible, Spitz is a reach, and the depth is weak.

On defense- NO DB depth. I think Underwood will step up, and the starters will be ok. You mentioned this great slip from Hodge-1st where was he that he could slip so far, and what are you judging this off of? I think this is the stability and could help make them a 6-10 team if they stay healthy. A couple of injuries and they are 3-13

Spitz is solid. I see alot of Frank Winters in him, he'll be fine. Not saying this is the case with Jackson, but Priest Holmes also ran a bad 40, just shows you can't always judge a guy by his 40 time.

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Spitz is solid. I see alot of Frank Winters in him, he'll be fine. Not saying this is the case with Jackson, but Priest Holmes also ran a bad 40, just shows you can't always judge a guy by his 40 time.

That's obvious to most people.

deep throat wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You mentioned this great slip from Hodge-1st where was he that he could slip so far, and what are you judging this off of?

From most posters raving about him and from his own play last preseason where many felt he should start and Barnett slide to strong side. NOW even tho Popp still has challenges - no one is calling for Hodge to start because his one start last season was horrible and he's done nuthin in camp so far. Its early and he will probably get it going - I hope so - but as of now he's fallen IMO.

Had dinner with Hodge and Corey Williams Wednesday night. Hodge missed the first two days of practice with a bad knee but was on the practice field Monday. By Tuesday the coaching staff had to tell him to take it easy he was hurting guys during drills.
The guy can hit. Probably not fast enough to play outside, but he'll be a good backup in the middle.

MickeyDavis wrote:Had dinner with Hodge and Corey Williams Wednesday night. Hodge missed the first two days of practice with a bad knee but was on the practice field Monday. By Tuesday the coaching staff had to tell him to take it easy he was hurting guys during drills.
The guy can hit. Probably not fast enough to play outside, but he'll be a good backup in the middle.

His lack of speed is glaring in pass D. He flat out can't guard any RB out of the backfield.

He should be a good backup MLB and a solid special teamer hopefully. I could see him excelling on special teams, actually.

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His lack of speed is glaring in pass D. He flat out can't guard any RB out of the backfield.

He should be a good backup MLB and a solid special teamer hopefully. I could see him excelling on special teams, actually.

Sometimes you watch a guy and his on the field speed/quickness looks better than what he timed.I watch Hodge and he looks as slow as he timed,i can't see how he could ever be a quality starter is an injury hit the LB core.

Mickey also brought up Corey Williams am i'm curious what will happen with him.If say he plays very well and better than Harrell,will Thompson pass on paying Williams because the team already has alot of cash tied into the DL and also because Harrell is Ted's first round pick and he wants to see Harrell playing alot?

Hodge is plenty fast- He will be a great Packer LB, but yes he needs to be in the middle. It's time for Barnett to play outside with the best LB in the league. That trio will be the best in the league.

Depth is certainly a concern, mostly due to inexperience.

I think the Packers have bodies they can throw out there should starters go down with injuries. The rub is that the guys they throw out there don't have a lot of NFL experience.

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Sometimes you watch a guy and his on the field speed/quickness looks better than what he timed.I watch Hodge and he looks as slow as he timed,i can't see how he could ever be a quality starter is an injury hit the LB core.

Agreed. He's amazingly slow on the field. He can hit if he gets there though.

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Spitz is solid. I see alot of Frank Winters in him, he'll be fine. Not saying this is the case with Jackson, but Priest Holmes also ran a bad 40, just shows you can't always judge a guy by his 40 time.

Spitz tailed off quite a bit last year. He reminds me a little of ole bag of donuts too, but I don't know if that is a good thing. I think BJack will be just an ok back. He seems to be a natural runner, but I think his upside is limited. Priest Holmes did have a slow time, but he is more the exception then the rule.

MickeyDavis wrote:Had dinner with Hodge and Corey Williams Wednesday night. Hodge missed the first two days of practice with a bad knee but was on the practice field Monday. By Tuesday the coaching staff had to tell him to take it easy he was hurting guys during drills.
The guy can hit. Probably not fast enough to play outside, but he'll be a good backup in the middle.

What do you do? I thought you did some internet related thing.

I like Hodge a lot and heard mostly all good things. People say he sucked in the one game, I thought he was OK.

We have depth at both DE and DT, as well as LB (Hodge was a steal last year and Bishop has all the tools to also be a starter). DB, there is a dropoff after Woodson/Harris, but we are not without talent there with Dendy, Bush, Blackmon, and Tramon Williams. I'd say we're lacking talent at RB/TE and lacking overall depth at WR on offense. I think the OL is fine.

I wouldn't say we have no depth anywhere, in fact I'd argue against it. We will be in trouble if guys like Driver go down though.

LUKE23 wrote:We have depth at both DE and DT, as well as LB (Hodge was a steal last year and Bishop has all the tools to also be a starter). DB, there is a dropoff after Woodson/Harris, but we are not without talent there with Dendy, Bush, Blackmon, and Tramon Williams. I'd say we're lacking talent at RB/TE and lacking overall depth at WR on offense. I think the OL is fine.

I wouldn't say we have no depth anywhere, in fact I'd argue against it. We will be in trouble if guys like Driver go down though.

I think you are totally delusional.

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I think you are totally delusional.

What about, if you don't mind me asking.

I don't disagree about much of what he said.

Where I do is I think we're an injury away from being really bent at CB unless someone is ready to step up that I don't know about, and I think we're no worse at WR than 90% of the teams in the NFL in terms of talent and depth. If nearly any team loses their #1 they're going to be hurting.

Agreed, about what exactly.

Do you see any positives with this GB team now or going forward, DT, other than Thompson getting fired after they go 3-13 or whatever you think they will be?

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I think you are totally delusional.

Please don't respond to any of my posts again until you can actually back up your thoughts. You think you're a football God over here but in reality you know very little.

Everything I said above is true.

Lets look at the depth chart and see exactly where we aren't deep:

Defense:

DE Starters: Jenkins and Kampman
DE Reserves: KGB and Hunter

I'd say any team that can bring a guy who has double digit sack potential every season off the bench is sitting pretty good at DE. Kampman was one of the league leaders in sacks and Jenkins is definitely an up and comer who can also stop the run. I'd say we're deep at DE.

DT Starters: Pickett and we'll say Harrell now for the sake of argument
DT Reserves: Cole, Williams, Jolly

Our deepest position on the team no question. Jolly, Williams, Harrell are all starter quality and as of yesterday it actually sounded like Jolly might get the nod. Cole as a #5 DT is pretty insane.

LB Starters: Poppinga, Hawk, Barnett
LB Reserves: Hodge, Bishop, Johnson?

Arguably our most talented position, with Poppinga two years removed from surgery and Hawk getting another year of experience. Hodge was a near All-American at Iowa with great instincts and Bishop led the Pac 10 in tackles and from everything I've read is very instinctive.

Safety staters: Collins and we'll say Manuel for now
Safety reserves: Rouse, Underwood, Culver

Not a very deep position at all from a talent standpoint. Manuel is not talented and everyone else is unproven.

DB starters: Woodson and Harris
DB reserves: Dendy, Blackmon, Bush, Williams

Huge dropoff after the starters, and I'd say out of the reserves Blackmon has by far the most upside of anyone. I think we'll be OK in the nickel but if we have to go to 4-5 DB's we could have some weak spots.


Offense:

QB Starter: Favre
QB Reserves: Rodgers and Martin

I think most teams are less deep at QB than we are. Not many teams have a guy who could have been a top 5 pick if everything fell right riding the bench. Set here.

OL Starters: Clifton/Spitz/Wells/Colledge/Tauscher
OL Reserves: Barbre, Moll, Coston, Palmer

With Tauscher and Clifton both healthy and a year more of experience for the young guys, I feel very confident in our line. Run blocking needs to be more consistent, but they did a great job of protecting Favre last year and will have continuity going into next season.

RB Starter: Going with Jackson for now
RB Reserves: Wynn, Morency, Herron

Definitely a very weak spot with regards to talent, but not one where there is a big dropoff between starter and bench. I'm hoping for Wynn to emerge here, but he has major attitude question marks. This is one of our two or three weakest positions.

TE Starter: Franks?
TE Reserves: Lee, Alcorn

Another spot where I think we are very weak. Franks game is diminishing by the day, and all of a sudden his usually very good hands are gone too. Lee has speed but lacks in the blocking department. This along with RB are positions of worry.

WR Starters: Driver, Jennings
WR Reserves: Jones, Martin, Ferguson, Robinson, Clowney, Bodiford

This will be an interesting position to see who of the reserves make it. I think Jones and Martin are locks personally, Martin gives that red zone threat we need. This is a position where I think we are much better than the "experts" say we are. Driver is a top 10 WR, Jennings was on pace to 1K yards last year, and Jones from everything being said has great hands and can take contact down the field. Really not worried about WR.


So to reiterate, I think weak depth spots are RB, TE, safeties, and nickel backs. I like our talent and depth everywhere else.

All I'd say is that you are underrating Morency, Bigby, Bush, and Mike Montgomery. I agree with your post overall though. I'd be shocked if Morency doesn't start. Bush is the guy I like at CB. Panther fans were pissed when he got cut last year in favor of a vet. Bigby is running with the twos right now and has played very well apparently.

Tracy White will also make it as a LB because he's great on ST.

Just because we are young it doesn't mean we lack depth. We are going to end up cutting or trading some solid players, which we haven't done the last two years.

Oh, and you aren't delusional.