I think Fergie is on his way out

LUKE23 · Post #1 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:29 pm

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=647364

I keep seeing all these positive articles on our WR's, but never anything on Ferguson. It is sound like Martin is close to a lock for the #4 WR, but here's a good article on Holliday.

Driver/Jennings/Jones/Martin

2 spots left between Holliday/Bodiford/Clowney?

BuckPack · Post #2 » by **BuckPack** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:03 pm

I think Bodiford is out of that group as well. With the news that the Packers are finally going to give Blackmon the lead PR job (one of the major things I've been waitinf for since he was drafted--the kid's a VERY good returner--#2 all time in the NCAA---he's big and strong, quick and not just fast, and perhapst most importantly, he's very elusive in the open field...easily going to be the best returner we've had since Howard, including Rossum), I think that leaves Bodiford on the short end of the stick. PAckers invested a 5th round pick in Clowney, so you gotta think they're going to give him every opportuinty to make the team, so as long as he doesn't make a complete fool out of himself, he should win the job (same with Mason Crosby).

So, I see something like: Driver/Jennings/Jones/Martin/Holliday/Clowney to start the season. When Robinson is available to be reinstated in a couple weeks, I could see the Pack cut Holliday (depending on his special teams success) or perhaps try to put Clowney on the Practice Squad.

Thunder Muscle · Post #3 » by **Thunder Muscle** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:55 pm

Yup. I think the Bob Ferguson era is all but done in Green Bay. Ended up being a disappointing pick. Like Luke said, you aren't hearing anything positive on Bob, but we are on some of the others. I've been pleasantly surprised on Holiday, going back to last year. The WR don't have the name power, but might be pleasantly okay. Wishful thinking? Maybe.

Glad Chuck Woodson isn't the PR either. Can't afford an injury to him. Curious to see Blackmon back there. Could be a playmaker maybe...

LeopoldStotch · Post #4 » by **LeopoldStotch** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:16 pm

I think it's pretty obvious Fergy is done.

I was under the impression that we only keep 5 WRs, however. If that's the case, here's the situation:

Locks: Driver, Jennings, Jones

Vying for 2 spots: Martin, Holiday, Bodiford, Clowney

If Blackmon wins the return job, I think they'll keep Martin and Holiday and the other two are practice squad candidates. Clowney is underdeveloped and raw, I can't see him being on the active roster. Bodiford has potential, but my guess is they don't want to use a roster spot on him if they don't have to. If they decided to hold on to Bodiford, Holiday would be the one to go I think.

BuckPack · Post #5 » by **BuckPack** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:26 pm

LeopoldStotch wrote:I think it's pretty obvious Fergy is done.

I was under the impression that we only keep 5 WRs, however. If that's the case, here's the situation:

Locks: Driver, Jennings, Jones

Vying for 2 spots: Martin, Holiday, Bodiford, Clowney

If Blackmon wins the return job, I think they'll keep Martin and Holiday and the other two are practice squad candidates. Clowney is underdeveloped and raw, I can't see him being on the active roster. Bodiford has potential, but my guess is they don't want to use a roster spot on him if they don't have to. If they decided to hold on to Bodiford, Holiday would be the one to go I think.

they could, but it may be easier to put someone like clowney on the practice squad in the first week of october than it is during the last week of cuts....i'd rather err on the side of caution. I don't wan't to get risk losing him unless Robinson is for sure in the fold.

eagle13 · Post #6 » by **eagle13** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:34 pm

I believe - not sure - there is a limit to who can be placed on PS based on number of games a player is on active roster and also perhaps years as a pro.

I think its a maximum of 4 or 6 games which would eliminate Bodiford as a candidate.

LeopoldStotch · Post #7 » by **LeopoldStotch** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:53 pm

BuckPack wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

they could, but it may be easier to put someone like clowney on the practice squad in the first week of october than it is during the last week of cuts....i'd rather err on the side of caution. I don't wan't to get risk losing him unless Robinson is for sure in the fold.

I don't want to lose Clowney either, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. I think other teams would be hesitant to add a guy who can't contribute yet. He just looks too frail for the physicality of the NFL to me.

BuckPack · Post #8 » by **BuckPack** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:58 pm

eagle13 wrote:I believe - not sure - there is a limit to who can be placed on PS based on number of games a player is on active roster and also perhaps years as a pro.

I think its a maximum of 4 or 6 games which would eliminate Bodiford as a candidate.

yes there is...also, if a player has been on a practice squad for a year, he cannot be placed on it again. I believe Bodiford was on the Lions PS for at minimum 6 weeks.

either way, I wasn't saying to put Bodiford on the PS...Clowney, but not Bodiford

Johnny Newman · Post #9 » by **Johnny Newman** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:48 pm

Don't forget Robinson will get a WR spot after week 5.

LeopoldStotch · Post #10 » by **LeopoldStotch** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 6:52 pm

Johnny Newman wrote:Don't forget Robinson will get a WR spot after week 5.

He's far from a sure thing after sitting out of all football activities for a year. He also doesn't really fit the Packers youth movement. That said, if he's in shape and able to help, they'll find a spot for him I'm sure.

Ayt · Post #11 » by **Ayt** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:36 pm

I want to keep both Holliday and Bodiford. Put Clowney on the PS.

eagle13 · Post #12 » by **eagle13** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:02 pm

Unless someone really stands out far more than even Jones has so far - Koren will be back as #1 KR and at least #4 and possibly #3 WR.
He's way faster than any other WR we have except Clowney. However unless Clowney really turns it on as KR, Pack will try to place him on PS (unltil someone signs him which I do expect - unfortunately).

OPENING ROSTER
Driver
Jennings
Jones
Martin
Holiday

WHEN KOREN RETURNS
Robinson will take either Martin or Holiday's place.

Ayt · Post #13 » by **Ayt** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:49 pm

It definitely remains to be see what we get from Robinson, if he's even around. With all the young guys stepping up, I could see them not even bringing him back.

Plus, he won't be eligible until after the first four games provided Goodell approves of that. How long would it take him to even be ready to contribute considering all he has missed and the fact that he barely played last year? Plus, he couldn't even be associated with the Packers at all during the suspension (as far as I understand it), which sets him back even further in terms of understanding the playbook, etc.

LUKE23 · Post #14 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:30 pm

Unless Koren still has his speed, I really don't see how he is a big upgrade over what we will already have. That has basically been his main asset throughout his career, because in every other facet he's been inconsistent. If he somehow maintained his speed (I highly doubt he has), I could see him helping us, but if not, then not.

eagle13 · Post #15 » by **eagle13** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:10 am

No reason to believe he lost any speed. Its our biggest lack.
As for playbook - Koren was hooking up with Farve very well last season before he left.

The only way he's not back is if someone REALLY shows up big. So far while guys are looking OK - nothing that great.

Koren will be back and will be at least #4.

Plus we'll see IF Bodiford or Clowney cut it as #1 KR. Koren only lead the league 2 years ago. Not that long for a guy who hasn't been hurt.

Ayt · Post #16 » by **Ayt** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:58 am

I looked up Koren's 40 time and he ran a 4.61 at the combine. I just thought it was funny.

El Duderino · Post #17 » by **El Duderino** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:11 am

Ayt wrote:It definitely remains to be see what we get from Robinson, if he's even around. With all the young guys stepping up, I could see them not even bringing him back.

Plus, he won't be eligible until after the first four games provided Goodell approves of that. How long would it take him to even be ready to contribute considering all he has missed and the fact that he barely played last year? Plus, he couldn't even be associated with the Packers at all during the suspension (as far as I understand it), which sets him back even further in terms of understanding the playbook, etc.

I agree and never bought that it was a near lock that Koren will be back.Quite a few things against him and he's not even a special player.

deep throat · Post #18 » by **deep throat** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:57 am

Ayt,

Where did you find that combine #? I rememer when Koren came out-there was some character issues at that time. He did put up monster stats at NC State and after the success Tory hlt had he was the hot name coming out. The guy has talent-put up a 1,200+ his 2nd season and was a Pro Bowler Kicker @ MN. I think where he would be valuable as a return guy mostly and that doesn't take any knowledge of the sytem. From there I think they can work him in slowly as they did a year ago. I hope the guy can turn his life around. It seemed like he was really trying in GB albeit a short time.

craig · Post #19 » by **craig** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:40 pm

I think it may depend on their special-teams manpower. Is Fergy viewed as an essential guy for special teams, or do they figure somebody else can do well enough so that they don't keep him just for that? Martin seems to be getting locked in, plus he's already a special teams guy. So in a sense, it would seem Fergy vs Holliday would be the match. Both seem like somewhat similar guys. I'd certainly have to go with Holliday on that one.

Clowney seems a very long shot. Pure practice squad. As with Ferguson, if Clowney or Bodiford were to make the team, it would have to be purely based on special teams stuff.

I like to have a return candidate on practice squad, and I like to have return guys be expendable back-of-roster guys. Maybe that's Blackmon, or Clowney, or Bodiford. But I sure don't want to have Woodson or Jennings returning and getting knocked out for the season on a return-play injury.

That's the only hesitation I'd have with using even Blackmon in that role. He might well be the best return guy. But I also have hopes that he will emerge as a worthwhile nickel and dime guy, and down the road emerge as a legit starting CB someday post Harris/Woodson. He's already shown himself to be injury-prone. Not sure I want to risk his career getting clobbered doing returns. Hopefully he does it and does it well, and escapes injury-free. But if his career gets destroyed by injury while returning, I know I'll look back and say, "Man, I was afraid that might happen, I almost knew better....."

Ayt · Post #20 » by **Ayt** » Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:15 pm

deep throat wrote:Ayt,

Where did you find that combine #? I rememer when Koren came out-there was some character issues at that time. He did put up monster stats at NC State and after the success Tory hlt had he was the hot name coming out. The guy has talent-put up a 1,200+ his 2nd season and was a Pro Bowler Kicker @ MN. I think where he would be valuable as a return guy mostly and that doesn't take any knowledge of the sytem. From there I think they can work him in slowly as they did a year ago. I hope the guy can turn his life around. It seemed like he was really trying in GB albeit a short time.

2001 WR's

Check out Chambers. What a freak. Its too bad he's never really gotten to play with a good QB.

Steve Smith and Chad Johnson both have surprising 40's. Our boy Ferguson is there as well and even David Martin.

I've mentioned it before, but you can see the numbers for every draft for every position going all the way back to 2000. All you do is click on the position then change the year to whatever you want it to be in the url at the top. I'd think a guy like you would love to comb through old drafts to see how guys tested out.