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Daniel Muir
Anyone heard of him? He was an undrafted rookie out of Kent State. He plays DE/DT. Been friends with him since childhood and wondering if #95 has stood out in camp at all?
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there was an article on him in either JS or GBPG just yesterday
Very positive
only spoke of him as DT
said he's played as well as 1st pick Harrell so far
as good at run and more varied moves as pass rusher
might challenge our 5 vet DTs for a spot
If not trades - he should beat out Cole based on pas rush
Very positive
only spoke of him as DT
said he's played as well as 1st pick Harrell so far
as good at run and more varied moves as pass rusher
might challenge our 5 vet DTs for a spot
If not trades - he should beat out Cole based on pas rush
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Wow extremally good news. Reason I say DE is cause that is the position he played his Senior year at Kent State and in HS. Was sort of dissapointed that he went undrafted, but hope he makes your team. Well if you hear anything else feel free to post it here. Also if you can find the links to the article that woudl be great.
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Here you go:
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=647445
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=643070
Thats the main articles where he was referenced. If he can perform as well in games, I hope to god we trade one of the other decent veterans for a safety or TE. My god are we loaded at the DT position.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=647445
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=643070
Thats the main articles where he was referenced. If he can perform as well in games, I hope to god we trade one of the other decent veterans for a safety or TE. My god are we loaded at the DT position.
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Scabs304 wrote:Was 2nd on the team in tackles with 6 in the last game. Big log jam at DT with you guys though.
There's talk we trade Cole -he would be the guy that then makes the team. If that doesn't happen he would make the PS, if he clears waivers. I like what I saw, seems to play with a little attitude.
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Link to discussion of DT's: http://postcrescent.packersnews.com/app ... 10489/1989
Pickett, Williams, Harrell, Jolly and Cole make 5, the normal number most teams carry. Muir would be #6.
My guess is that the reports are probably accurate, that Muir has played well enough to look like an NFL guy. And my guess is that TT, who's an obvious believer in the value of a strong deep D Line, would much prefer to be able to hang onto all six of those guys, if possible.
If possible, how possible?
A) Keep Muir.... on practice squad. If they don't keep him on active, they'll certainly hope to keep him for practice squad. Question is, will he possibly be able to clear waivers? Or will somebody else pick him up. Is the chance of making it to practice squad good enough to risk? Or might TT keep him rather than risk losing him?
B) Keep Muir, trade somebody else. I think they're pretty keen on Jolly these days. So if they were to trade somebody, Cole is the only possibility other than Muir himself.
C) Trade Muir is obviously possible, if unlikely. To trade him, you'd need to find somebody else who liked him well enough to trade something (late pick?) rather than just wait the Packers out and get him once derostered. I believe he's had a good camp, but not sure he's been that jazzy or that other teams who didn't draft him in the first place have been paying so much attention to him that they'd trade a pick for him now.
D) Keep six DT's. They did it last year, so it's possible again. Likely or easy? Not necessarily. Two opposite angles on this. Given that Jenkins has often played inside and might be an excellent passing-down inside lineman, so that you'd get KGB, Jenkins, and Kampman all on the field at the same time, it might seem even more superfluous to carry 6 other DT's. The flip is that Williams played some end, and I think perhaps somewhat like Jenkins might seem to have the skillset so that he could do that again. If Kampman or Jenkins were hurt, I might almost rather have Williams playing end on run downs than KGB. So if Williams was viewed as a combo DT/DE, that might make it easier to justify keeping Muir as an extra DT.
Will be interesting. Big guys who are pretty good aren't easy to find, and those guys tend to injure often and tire easily. If Muir looks like an interesting, perhaps rather solid NFL lineman, I'd be pretty reluctant to lose control of him.
One spot-opening move I'd actually consider would be to drop the 3rd QB. Very rare that 3rd QB is needed on gameday. And, if a game works so that they start with all three but they need to be playing Ingle Martin during the game, relatively little likelihood that they'll still be in position to win the game. (New England game last year, had they known Rodgers had broken bone they should have brought in Martin; but by that point the game was blowout anyway.) Or, even if you do turn to 3rd QB and the game is close, still unlikely that Ingle Martin or Paul Thompson is going to win it for you. (Example the TJ Rubley game during the 90's. Neither Martin nor Thompson are great prospects I don't think, so I don't think there's much chance a different team would claim and roster either one. The risk of moving them to practice squad is negligible, and even if it happened, very unlikely that you'd regret it later.
Pickett, Williams, Harrell, Jolly and Cole make 5, the normal number most teams carry. Muir would be #6.
My guess is that the reports are probably accurate, that Muir has played well enough to look like an NFL guy. And my guess is that TT, who's an obvious believer in the value of a strong deep D Line, would much prefer to be able to hang onto all six of those guys, if possible.
If possible, how possible?
A) Keep Muir.... on practice squad. If they don't keep him on active, they'll certainly hope to keep him for practice squad. Question is, will he possibly be able to clear waivers? Or will somebody else pick him up. Is the chance of making it to practice squad good enough to risk? Or might TT keep him rather than risk losing him?
B) Keep Muir, trade somebody else. I think they're pretty keen on Jolly these days. So if they were to trade somebody, Cole is the only possibility other than Muir himself.
C) Trade Muir is obviously possible, if unlikely. To trade him, you'd need to find somebody else who liked him well enough to trade something (late pick?) rather than just wait the Packers out and get him once derostered. I believe he's had a good camp, but not sure he's been that jazzy or that other teams who didn't draft him in the first place have been paying so much attention to him that they'd trade a pick for him now.
D) Keep six DT's. They did it last year, so it's possible again. Likely or easy? Not necessarily. Two opposite angles on this. Given that Jenkins has often played inside and might be an excellent passing-down inside lineman, so that you'd get KGB, Jenkins, and Kampman all on the field at the same time, it might seem even more superfluous to carry 6 other DT's. The flip is that Williams played some end, and I think perhaps somewhat like Jenkins might seem to have the skillset so that he could do that again. If Kampman or Jenkins were hurt, I might almost rather have Williams playing end on run downs than KGB. So if Williams was viewed as a combo DT/DE, that might make it easier to justify keeping Muir as an extra DT.
Will be interesting. Big guys who are pretty good aren't easy to find, and those guys tend to injure often and tire easily. If Muir looks like an interesting, perhaps rather solid NFL lineman, I'd be pretty reluctant to lose control of him.
One spot-opening move I'd actually consider would be to drop the 3rd QB. Very rare that 3rd QB is needed on gameday. And, if a game works so that they start with all three but they need to be playing Ingle Martin during the game, relatively little likelihood that they'll still be in position to win the game. (New England game last year, had they known Rodgers had broken bone they should have brought in Martin; but by that point the game was blowout anyway.) Or, even if you do turn to 3rd QB and the game is close, still unlikely that Ingle Martin or Paul Thompson is going to win it for you. (Example the TJ Rubley game during the 90's. Neither Martin nor Thompson are great prospects I don't think, so I don't think there's much chance a different team would claim and roster either one. The risk of moving them to practice squad is negligible, and even if it happened, very unlikely that you'd regret it later.
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craig,
Well done, you pretty much summed the situation up. TT's utimate goal is to put two big pigs in the middle which will allow the LBs we have to flow to he ball. That isn't Corey Williams's forte, but you also need some inside pass rush. Williams as a trade candidate comes down to the Coaching philosphy and maybe a tad salary (CW's contract up after the year). I think Cole is most expendable because there is overlap there in the form of (Jolly/Pickett/Harrell/Muir - all provide pretty much the same thing-known for being inside pluggers). CW is their best inside rusher, but do they want that in their DT? I think the ideal 3rd down and long line is Kampman-Jenkins-Williams-KGB = That s pretty good.
Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
Well done, you pretty much summed the situation up. TT's utimate goal is to put two big pigs in the middle which will allow the LBs we have to flow to he ball. That isn't Corey Williams's forte, but you also need some inside pass rush. Williams as a trade candidate comes down to the Coaching philosphy and maybe a tad salary (CW's contract up after the year). I think Cole is most expendable because there is overlap there in the form of (Jolly/Pickett/Harrell/Muir - all provide pretty much the same thing-known for being inside pluggers). CW is their best inside rusher, but do they want that in their DT? I think the ideal 3rd down and long line is Kampman-Jenkins-Williams-KGB = That s pretty good.
Should be interesting to see how this plays out.
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" (Jolly/Pickett/Harrell/Muir - all provide pretty much the same thing-known for being inside pluggers). CW is their best inside rusher, but do they want that in their DT? I think the ideal 3rd down and long line is Kampman-Jenkins-Williams-KGB = That s pretty good. "
I agree very much on later point. A pass down line with Williams and Jenkins inside could be very good.
What do I know, but I've gotten the impression that Muir is *not* just a run-stuff plug like I tend to view Pickett and Jolly to be.
It will be interesting, and there are a lot of combinations and situations that could work pretty well. Jenkins/Williams in middle is one with both pass-rushers. Another is to have three guys with some pass-rush ability and a 4th who may rarely or never get the QB, but who is strong and active enough to collapse/distort the pocket. I don't expect he'll ever get many sacks, but if Harrell is eventually able to do that, he could be a nice complement to the pass-rushing guys.
I agree very much on later point. A pass down line with Williams and Jenkins inside could be very good.
What do I know, but I've gotten the impression that Muir is *not* just a run-stuff plug like I tend to view Pickett and Jolly to be.
It will be interesting, and there are a lot of combinations and situations that could work pretty well. Jenkins/Williams in middle is one with both pass-rushers. Another is to have three guys with some pass-rush ability and a 4th who may rarely or never get the QB, but who is strong and active enough to collapse/distort the pocket. I don't expect he'll ever get many sacks, but if Harrell is eventually able to do that, he could be a nice complement to the pass-rushing guys.
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