Bears Offense

[LUKE23]

Sorry, but it just doesn't scare me whatsoever. I said before the season that Benson would be a downgrade from Thomas Jones (who I believe is a far superior player), and so far that appears to be the case. The OL is very good, but Grossman still isn't consistent and they only have one WR that you really have to focus on in Berrian.

This isn't a very good Dallas D they are going against, nor was it last week vs. KC where they really didn't do much either.

[El Duderino]

I was very surprised when they traded Jones,he gave them some quickness and a guy who could make tacklers miss.When i've watched Benson,he looks kinda stiff and he may have some straight line speed,but not much quickness.

Was it money that forced the trade and what did they get in return,i forget what all went down?

[mbucks22]

Agreed. Can't wait until our DL can (hopefully) put pressure on Wrecks in two weeks. The guy is an interception waiting to happen each play.

Edit: And almost on cue Wrecks throws an interception returned for a TD!

[Simulack]

The Bears offense doesn't scare anyone besides Bears fan.

And here come the Griese chants.

[MikeIsGood]

Bears are likely going to be 1-2. Packers are 3-0.

Bears lost to the Chargers. Packers beat the Chargers.

[ReasonablySober]

Nobody go over to the Bears board, however. You might get a spanking from their overly sensitive mods. I've never seen such a harmless thread get locked in my time here. Good thing our own mod was around to protect them and throw fellow Packer fans under the bus.

[LUKE23]

I never go to other boards, I'll just trash the opposition right here.

QB Controvery in Chitown this week, and they had two injures on D.

[BrewCityBBQ]

Bears offense looks horrible.

Another interception!!!!

[BrewCityBBQ]

This is not good for me. The guy I'm playing in fantasy football has Dallas' defense.

[Simulack]

Nobody go over to the Bears board, however. You might get a spanking from their overly sensitive mods. I've never seen such a harmless thread get locked in my time here. Good thing our own mod was around to protect them and throw fellow Packer fans under the bus.

Especially since it was a prediction thread. It wasn't somebody going to the Bears board after we started 3-0 to rub it in. Ssssssnake made a prediction over 3 weeks ago that he got derided for by Bears fans who taunted him that they were going to bump the thread when he was proven wrong? Would the Bears mod have locked it if the prediction turned out to be incorrect?

Unfortunately Grossman has been so awful tonight that a move to Griese has to be imminent.

[MickeyDavis]

I think it's great to go to other boards but when someone starts talking trash on another board you are risking whatever the mods what to do to you. I don't want to see any of our guys get suspended or banned. Their team is bad right now, very bad, so yes they will be sensitive to Packer fans on their board.

[MickeyDavis]

Now as far as the Bears offense. It's Berrian and no one else.

We'll likely be facing Griese in two weeks. Which is a shame. While Griese on his best day is an average QB, that makes him 10X Grossman.

[ReasonablySober]

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Especially since it was a prediction thread. It wasn't somebody going to the Bears board after we started 3-0 to rub it in. Ssssssnake made a prediction over 3 weeks ago that he got derided for by Bears fans who taunted him that they were going to bump the thread when he was proven wrong? Would the Bears mod have locked it if the prediction turned out to be incorrect?

Unfortunately Grossman has been so awful tonight that a move to Griese has to be imminent.

Exactly. It was locked because no one over there wanted to be reminded of how bad they looked.

Whatever...they've got worse things to think about than a few Packer fans giving them crap.

[Cliff Levingston]

I was very surprised when they traded Jones,he gave them some quickness and a guy who could make tacklers miss.When i've watched Benson,he looks kinda stiff and he may have some straight line speed,but not much quickness.

Are you referring to the same Thomas Jones that played for the Bears the last few years? Cause that one couldn't make anyone miss, and had the lowest yards per catch for any running back with more than 10 catches in history last year. Benson is already a better back than TJ, and that's not saying much.

His running style isn't pretty and he won't make people miss in the open field, but given just a little room, he'll run for at least 3 yards every time cause he consistently falls forward and gains a couple extra yards after contact. Cliff Levingston can't understand people wanting t write him off already when everyone who knows anything about football knew what kind of runner Benson is... Bears fans included.

A comment earlier was pretty accurate though; we've got Berrian and nothing else right now on offense for the most part. The O line looked pretty good and Benson had some nice runs but we had to go away from him when we got down because Rex thought we were wearing white jerseys last night.

Quite possibly, Ron Turner (the offensive coordinator) is equally as bad as Rex Grossman. Cliff Levingston can tell you almost exactly what we're doing on each play based on the offensive personnel and formation. We'll have an empty backfield and still take the ball from under center. We don't run any play action now when that was when Rex was at his best last year. A (Please Use More Appropriate Word) monkey would be a better OC than Turner right now.

And don't be surprised if Grossman isn't replaced. Grossman must have some blackmail on Lovie or something cause Lovie will not stop professing that "Rex is our quarterback." Yea he's got the biggest arm on the team but that doesn't make him a good QB.

Now that our best defensive players are dropping like flies, Cliff Levingston wouldn't be surprised to see the Bears go 2-14, and that's not a joke.

[ReasonablySober]

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Are you referring to the same Thomas Jones that played for the Bears the last few years? Cause that one couldn't make anyone miss, and had the lowest yards per catch for any running back with more than 10 catches in history last year. Benson is already a better back than TJ, and that's not saying much.

His running style isn't pretty and he won't make people miss in the open field, but given just a little room, he'll run for at least 3 yards every time cause he consistently falls forward and gains a couple extra yards after contact. Cliff Levingston can't understand people wanting t write him off already when everyone who knows anything about football knew what kind of runner Benson is... Bears fans included.

A comment earlier was pretty accurate though; we've got Berrian and nothing else right now on offense for the most part. The O line looked pretty good and Benson had some nice runs but we had to go away from him when we got down because Rex thought we were wearing white jerseys last night.

Quite possibly, Ron Turner (the offensive coordinator) is equally as bad as Rex Grossman. Cliff Levingston can tell you almost exactly what we're doing on each play based on the offensive personnel and formation. We'll have an empty backfield and still take the ball from under center. We don't run any play action now when that was when Rex was at his best last year. A (Please Use More Appropriate Word) monkey would be a better OC than Turner right now.

And don't be surprised if Grossman isn't replaced. Grossman must have some blackmail on Lovie or something cause Lovie will not stop professing that "Rex is our quarterback." Yea he's got the biggest arm on the team but that doesn't make him a good QB.

Now that our best defensive players are dropping like flies, Cliff Levingston wouldn't be surprised to see the Bears go 2-14, and that's not a joke.

He's talking about the Thomas Jones that in each of his seasons as a Bear averaged over four yards a carry and last year had half as many fumbles (1) as Benson has this season already.

[NeedsMoreCheese]

Finally Time to Bench Wrecks?

September 24, 2007 1:28 PM

While one city celebrates its swashbuckling young quarterback today, Chicago fans are ready to kick theirs to the curb.

Jay Mariotti says the Bears were Rexually dysfunctional. No man has ever had this much fun coming up with derisive nicknames for an underperforming quarterback.

Honestly, if last night's performance doesn't cause Bears coach Lovie Smith to make a change, nothing will. The reigning NFC champs are about to implode if Smith doesn't do something decisive. Even people with Rex obsessions can't make much of an argument this morning.

It's time to pull the trigger.

Rexually dysfunctional


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[Cliff Levingston]

He's talking about the Thomas Jones that in each of his seasons as a Bear averaged over four yards a carry and last year had half as many fumbles (1) as Benson has this season already.

Thomas Jones, 2006
Game 1: 21 rushes, 63 yards. Avg: 3.0 YPC.
Game 2: 21 rushes, 64 yards. Avg: 3.04 YPC.
Game 3: 18 rushes, 54 yards. Avg: 3.0 YPC.

Thomas Jones in '06 through 3 games: 3 yards per carry.

Cedric Benson, 2007
Game 1: 19 rushes, 42 yards. Avg: 2.21 YPC.
Game 2: 24 rushes, 101 yards. Avg: 4.21 YPC.
Game 3: 16 rushes, 46 yards. Avg: 2.88 YPC.

Cedric Benson in '07 through 3 games: 3.2 yards per carry.

[BuckPack]

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Thomas Jones, 2006
Game 1: 21 rushes, 63 yards. Avg: 3.0 YPC.
Game 2: 21 rushes, 64 yards. Avg: 3.04 YPC.
Game 3: 18 rushes, 54 yards. Avg: 3.0 YPC.

Thomas Jones in '06 through 3 games: 3 yards per carry.

Cedric Benson, 2007
Game 1: 19 rushes, 42 yards. Avg: 2.21 YPC.
Game 2: 24 rushes, 101 yards. Avg: 4.21 YPC.
Game 3: 16 rushes, 46 yards. Avg: 2.88 YPC.

Cedric Benson in '07 through 3 games: 3.2 yards per carry.

hahah, that's a ridiculous comparison on your part. Why would you ever try to shrink the sample size of one of the principals in your comparison when a far larger, more representative sample size is available? The only justification is maybe if the opponents were the same, otherwise it's completely illogical.

Compare Thomas Jones' performance from ALL of last year as the Bears starting RB with that of Cedric Benson's to date. To pull out Jones' performance from weeks 4-17 is solely trying to manipulate the stats to reflect that which you desire.

Fact: Packers offense matches up against the Bears defense better than the Bears offense matches up against the Packers defense.

How's last place, Chicago?

[Cliff Levingston]

hahah, that's a ridiculous comparison on your part. Why would you ever try to shrink the sample size of one of the principals in your comparison when a far larger, more representative sample size is available? The only justification is maybe if the opponents were the same, otherwise it's completely illogical.

It's illogical to compare two players using the same criteria? The comparison of Jones vs. Benson through the first 3 games of the last couple seasons, both when the respective back is the primary one, is pretty fair.

But to break it down further since your brain doesn't seem to be able to handle this concept: It took awhile last season to get the running game going, therefore it's unfair to write off Benson so soon as the poster Cliff Levingston was addressing suggested. Jones even had the benefit of a very good passing game early last season, since it wasn't til mid-season when defenses figured out how to limit Grossman.

Compare Thomas Jones' performance from ALL of last year as the Bears starting RB with that of Cedric Benson's to date. To pull out Jones' performance from weeks 4-17 is solely trying to manipulate the stats to reflect that which you desire.

Once again, it's comparison of both backs from weeks 1-3; a clear indicator that Jones struggled to get going early last season just as Benson is now. If anything, Benson is performing better than Jones considering the competition we've had this year (San Diego and Dallas specifically) was better than the competition we faced early last year... which was Detroit, Green Bay and Minnesota.

Fact: Packers offense matches up against the Bears defense better than the Bears offense matches up against the Packers defense.

Considering the Bears offense can't match up vs. most high school defenses, that's a brilliant assertion.

[paulpressey25]

The good news for us is that the Bear mystique as it relates to their defense is dead.....whether it's injuries, new guys, apathy, whatever, that defense is nothing like it was in 2005 and the first half of 2006.

It appears to be an average defense. And the offense is terrible.....not sure why we were worried about our offense compared to those guys. Good times again listening to sports talk on 670am......