McGinn glad Moss deal didn't work out

[paulpressey25]

McGinn wrote another good column today in the MJS.....even if you disagree with his conclusion, it was well supported.

Essentially said things have worked out better without Moss:

a) Allowed young and talented Packer WR's to develop
b) No guarantees that young Packer lockerroom could have handled Moss like the veteran NE locker-room.
c) Said scouts he talks to tell him GB's WR core is one of the best in the league.
d) Said Moss will be looking for mega contract this off-season. A headache the Packers don't have to deal with.
e) Still convinced Moss will screw up the chemistry of New England, if not this season then next.

The newsworthy piece he presents is how the Packers were the front-runners to get Moss, but then Tom Brady personally intervened and recruited Moss away to NE. At that point Moss stopped taking the Packer calls about restructuring his contract.

[MadCityBucky]

I wonder if the Patriots are gonna resign Moss seeing as how he could have one of the best season ever for a WR and likely seeking a huge contract.

Would I still have liked to see Moss on the Packers? Personally, yes. He's a game changer and if the team is winning happy. But I'm not going to complain about not having him either, especially with how well the Packers WR's have been playing and their chemistry with Favre.

That story with how Favre and the WR's have meetings and discuss plays, etc. was awesome.

[Jollay]

Oh thank God, this topic again....

I agree, it has worked out well for both parties. I don't think there is a guarantee we would be as successful with Moss, although we certainly could be perhaps even better.

Of course if I had known we were one of two teams likely to go to the super bowl to face what has become an unstoppable juggernaut, I would have said sign Moss just to hurt the Pats.

Can you believe New England running up the scores on everyone? I'm not a hope for injury guy but at some point people are gonna take shots at Brady and those guys that aren't necessarily completely undeserved.

Should be very interesting to see...

[ReasonablySober]

McGinn wrote another good column today in the MJS.....even if you disagree with his conclusion, it was well supported.

Essentially said things have worked out better without Moss:

a) Allowed young and talented Packer WR's to develop
b) No guarantees that young Packer lockerroom could have handled Moss like the veteran NE locker-room.
c) Said scouts he talks to tell him GB's WR core is one of the best in the league.
d) Said Moss will be looking for mega contract this off-season. A headache the Packers don't have to deal with.
e) Still convinced Moss will screw up the chemistry of New England, if not this season then next.

The newsworthy piece he presents is how the Packers were the front-runners to get Moss, but then Tom Brady personally intervened and recruited Moss away to NE. At that point Moss stopped taking the Packer calls about restructuring his contract.

That's been what King's been saying since the draft.

[MickeyDavis]

I guess it's easy to say it's a good thing Moss didn't end up coming here since we're 9-1.

[El Duderino]

Given we are 9-1, i certainly won't complain anymore that we blew the chance at getting Moss. If we have to play them in the Super Bowl though, it won't be fun watching Moss eat us alive IF he does like he's done to nearly every team the Pats played this year.

[whatthe_buck!?]

Yeah, I'm so glad we don't have the best wide reciever in the NFL on our team. The last thing in the world I would want would be to set back the development of James Motherf*cking Jones by one season.



What a terrible premise for an article. If Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth were really suffering statistically from playing along side Moss McGinn might have the foundation for making the case he lays out, but the receivers playing with Moss are getting plenty of balls and both happen (purely a coincidence I'm sure) to be playing the best football of their respective careers. The truth is that having a player like Moss actually helps everyone else on the team by drawing defensive attention to himself which serves to open things up for the rest of the offense.

This article seems like McGinn's attempt to put lipstick on an especially ugly pig, but the only thing he succeeds in doing is to piss off the people (like myself) who are still having a hard time getting over the fact that the Packers could have aquired one of the greatest receivers in NFL history in his prime for next to nothing and didn't do it. The fact remains the Packers f*cked up bigtime by not closing the deal for Moss before NE (and Tom Brady, apparently) swooped in. Fortunatly for us, not getting Moss hasn't cost us many wins (at least not yet), but unfortunately -extremely unfortunately- we did inadvertently help create this seemimgly unbeatable NE team (not to mention possibly screwing over the 1972 Dolphins).

[whatthe_buck!?]

If we have to play them in the Super Bowl though, it won't be fun watching Moss eat us alive IF he does like he's done to nearly every team the Pats played this year.

QFT

[whatthe_buck!?]

That story with how Favre and the WR's have meetings and discuss plays, etc. was awesome.

What makes you think that wouldn't be happening with Moss on the team? You do realize that Randy Moss idolizes Brett Favre and that Brett very well could be the guy that Moss respects most out of any NFL player, right?

[whatthe_buck!?]

Honestly, I wish you hadn't started a Moss-related thread PP. As you can see, I get way too worked up once I get going on the subject of whether or not he should as of this moment be wearing the green and gold.

[whatthe_buck!?]

That's been what King's been saying since the draft.

I don't for a second doubt King's account of the way the Moss situation resolved itself, but even Ted Thompson -if he was being honest- would tell you that the Packers could have easily gotten Moss if he had been more aggressive from the moment Oakland put him on the trading block.

[whatthe_buck!?]

On a related note (in case anyone gives a sh*t), I have decided that if Randy Moss contributes significantly to the Packers losing to NE in the Super Bowl I will personally hunt down and bludgeon to death "Bruce" from packerchatters.com with a steel-encased highlight DVD of Moss' tenure as a Viking.












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Ok, I'm really only half kidding. If Moss has 100+ yards and a couple of touchdowns, who knows what I might be capable of.

[paulpressey25]

This will just make our super bowl win over the Patriots all the more enjoyable....I can see the headlines now...."Moss punchs Roger Goodell at pre-super bowl party....gets suspended for game"

[ReasonablySober]

If the Packers make the Super Bowl (I can't believe I'm even entertaining the possibility...) and Moss carves us up, I'll be royally depressed over the situation.

I think the Packers are better off without him. But I'll admit that it'd really sting if the team that got him because we didn't uses him to beat us.

It's a double-edged sword.

I'm glad we have Jennings making strides on the way to being a legit #1 WR, Jones being thrown into the fire and succeeding (anyone here that DOESN'T believe he can be the #2 guy when Driver is done?) and Lee emerging as a legit force at TE.

But the fact that NE is the team that got him because we didn't hurts. Any other team in the NFL and it's not a concern. But because it's the Pats, the likely AFC representative in the SB, is tough to swallow.

[InsideOut]

I still don't understand why people act like we could have had Moss and there was nothing anybody could have done about it. Maybe the Packers were moving as fast as they could. Maybe Moss was dragging his feet and trying to get traded to a better team or make more money. From the article we were trying work a deal with him but he stopped taking our calls. What do you want the Packers to do if Moss won't answer the phone? Oh I know, we should have either put a gun to his head and forced Moss to sign something or we should have just handed him the keys to the castle on day one. We are 9 - 1 and have one of the best WR cores in the league and people are still crying. Deal with it already. God save us all if we lose to NE in the Super Bowl. All summer long we'll have to listen to the garbage that TT cost us the Super Bowl.

[whatthe_buck!?]

I still don't understand why people act like we could have had Moss and there was nothing anybody could have done about it.

Because it's an indisputable fact that we we could have gotten him.

Maybe the Packers were moving as fast as they could.

If thinking that helps you feel better about the fact that we missed out on having the best receiver in the NFL on the Packers roster, then please skip over the next sentence of my reply. They weren't.

Maybe Moss was dragging his feet and trying to get traded to a better team or make more money. From the article we were trying work a deal with him but he stopped taking our calls. What do you want the Packers to do if Moss won't answer the phone?

Like I said previously, the account of Moss at some point refusing to negotiate with us likely did happen, but it certainly did not happen until very late in the game. Ted could have sealed the deal long before draft weekend (which would have been way before NE even entered the picture), but he wanted to see if he would be able to address the Packers' need at wideout on draft day before doing anything drastic with regard to the Moss situation. His miscalculation was in failing to recognize that a Randy Moss-caliber player is valuable to a team no matter how stacked that team may be at his position.
FYI, Ted Thompson basically admitted over the summer that the lesson that he learned from the Moss situation was that he may in the future have to be more aggressive when pursuing players, and that admission didn't sound to me like the words of a man who felt that we never realistically had a shot at Moss. The truth is, -as Ted Thompson himself would probably admit- Ted tried to lowball the Raiders with an offer of a 5th round pick thinking that they would have to cave eventually because there seemed to be no other suiters for Moss (calculating that if the Raiders didn't take our offer they would be forced to release Moss for nothing). It failed when NE swooped in at the end, and I truly believe that TT immediately regretted how it played out and will take away a hard lesson from the experience that will in the end make him a better GM.

Oh I know, we should have either put a gun to his head and forced Moss to sign something or we should have just handed him the keys to the castle on day one.

Yes, we absolutely should have put a gun to his head. We should have hired a hitman to kidnap Randy, bring him to Lambeau, tie him up, and hold a gun against his head until he signed on the dotted line. We should have hired Don Corleone to "make him an offer he (couldn't) refuse". See, if creative people like you had been working on Ted's staff this spring we probably would have Moss as a Packer right now!

In all seriousness, even if it is true that at some point late in the process Moss became dead-set on playing for the Patriots, it would still be relatively unimportant. We had enough cap space at the time that, even if Moss wouldn't have been willing to restructure his contract for anyone other than the Pats, we could have still aquired him and then worked on new contract after he was already a member of the team. Not to mention that it's pretty safe to say that one call from Brett Favre after Randy Moss was a member of the Pack and Randy would have almost assuredly changed his tune about restucturing his deal.

The fact remains, however, an NFL player is not the one who gets to decide which team he will be traded to, as that decision is made by the team to whom the player is under contract. If we had offered a 4th and a 5th rounder or a 3rd rounder to the Raiders, they would have put a halt to the NE trade and would have waited until either Randy Moss changed his mind about being willing to only restructure for the Pats, or until the Pats upped their offer to match or beat the Packers' offer.

We are 9 - 1 and have one of the best WR cores in the league and people are still crying.

And if we had aquired Randy Moss we not only would unequivocally have the best WR core in the league (as opposed to "one of the best"), but we would also probably be 10 - 0 and we might actually have a chance to win the Super Bowl if we got there.

Deal with it already.

This is my way of "dealing with it". Deal with the fact that I am dealing with it, "InsideOut". And quit crying about the fact that I am crying about not getting Moss.

God save us all if we lose to NE in the Super Bowl. All summer long we'll have to listen to the garbage that TT cost us the Super Bowl.

If by "garbage" you mean " fairly logical conclusion", then I won't necessarily disagree with you there; but I will say that anyone doing what you dread will be somewhat misguided. If we do end up losing the SB to the Pats, sure it would be possible to say that pulling the trigger on the Moss deal may have changed the outcome, but saying TT "cost us the SB" wouldn't be doing him justice. The fact is, TT has made plenty of GREAT moves that have helped us get enough talent to be the legit contenders that we currently are (not to mention his decision to hire McCarthy, which is looking like it might at this point be his best move of all). Inotherwords, if we end up losing the SB to the Pats, it might be technically accurate to say that not aquiring Moss "cost us" the Lombardi trophy, but saying so wouldn't be giving TT the credit he most certainly deserves for putting together a team that was within a trade of a 3rd round pick for Randy Moss of winning the Super Bowl. It's also important to add that the Pack was coming off consecutive seasons where the team had final records of 4 - 12 and 8 - 8 going into this year.

If it will make you feel any better, one pledge that I will give to you right now is this:
Although I can't speak for all of the folks who may still be sore about us not aquiring Moss, I will say that if the scenario that you describe does indeed play out I for one will not criticize TT any more than I already have on the subject of Randy Moss. The two reasons I am willing to make such a pledge is that I have way too much respect for TT to hold one bad move against him, and more importantly because I recognize that you and I would not even be in a position to be having this discussion (about what the reaction would be if the Packers were to lose to NE in the Super Bowl) if it weren't for the excellent job he has done managing this franchise. Sound fair to you?

[whatthe_buck!?]

This will just make our super bowl win over the Patriots all the more enjoyable

I have to admit, that would be pretty sweet if it happened.

[xTitan]

The character of a man is not displayed by how he acts when things go well but how he reacts to adversity, thats when character is revealed......glad he is not here.

[El Duderino]

Speaking of the receivers, is Koren Robinson under contract for next season?

[whatthe_buck!?]

The character of a man is not displayed by how he acts when things go well but how he reacts to adversity, thats when character is revealed......glad he is not here.

What a load of crap.