Favre/contract cap question

[kyrv]

Hi, I haven't found this via the media, google, or here, what I'm wondering is, what are the cap and contract ramifications of the different scenarios?

1) Was Favre already on this year's team? If not, and he joins now, doesn't that add ~12 million, were they that far under the cap?

2) Is any of Favre's money guaranteed?

3) Did Favre retiring have any effect on his current contract?

4) If he's released, he gets no more of the $39 million or so owed, I assume, and he just gets whatever he can get?

5) Assuming #4, wouldn't a team rather not trade for him (he costs 13 million), when he would sign for much less (doubt too many teams have 10+ million in cap room).

Thanks in advance and if these questions are already covered here, please /bonk me and point me in the right direction. Thanks.

[Neusch23]

Ahh....my fellow Bulls board friend...are you not a Bears fan!!! No wonder no one has answered!

If Brett is released he isn't owed anything by the Pack, but I believe we still take a cap hit, cost I am not sure of.

He has 3 years and 39 mil left that he is not getting paid unless he becomes an active player again.

Right now the Packers have around 30 mil under the cap, so they can activate him with no problems. Since he was put on the retired list he is eligible for benifits from the NFL, but not to any money from his contract. He only gets that money if he is an active member.

If you are a Packers fan you should stop around this board more often! Thanks kyrv

[mnstinks]

adding a bit...

I believe the Packers cleared 11.4 mil when they put Favre on the reserve/retire list

[James1980]

I'm curious what would have happened if the Packers spent Favre's capspace, didn't have any cap space, and Brett wanted to come back?

[Neusch23]

I'm curious what would have happened if the Packers spent Favre's capspace, didn't have any cap space, and Brett wanted to come back?

we would have three choices: Cut a player or two to make room for Brett. Cut Brett since he would be coming in before we would have to have our roster set. Or I believe we would be able to re work bretts deal.

Not sure on the last one, but the other two are the most likely.

[InsideOut]

Right now the Packers have around 30 mil under the cap, so they can activate him with no problems. Since he was put on the retired list he is eligible for benifits from the NFL, but not to any money from his contract. He only gets that money if he is an active member.

So TT built roughly the youngest team in the league that was an OT pick from going to the Super Bowl and is currently 30 mil under the salary cap? What an idiot. It's no wonder nobody trusts this guy when it comes to Favre and what's best for the team. I mean just look at the situation this fool has us in.

[Neusch23]

Right now the Packers have around 30 mil under the cap, so they can activate him with no problems. Since he was put on the retired list he is eligible for benifits from the NFL, but not to any money from his contract. He only gets that money if he is an active member.

So TT built roughly the youngest team in the league that was an OT pick from going to the Super Bowl and is currently 30 mil under the salary cap? What an idiot. It's no wonder nobody trusts this guy when it comes to Favre and what's best for the team. I mean just look at the situation this fool has us in.

Whats you point...

You're response was directed at me, and conversations in other threads that don't have anything to do with THIS thread.

Don't forget who led you to over achieve and win 13 games and a trip to the NFC championship game.

[InsideOut]

Right now the Packers have around 30 mil under the cap, so they can activate him with no problems. Since he was put on the retired list he is eligible for benifits from the NFL, but not to any money from his contract. He only gets that money if he is an active member.

So TT built roughly the youngest team in the league that was an OT pick from going to the Super Bowl and is currently 30 mil under the salary cap? What an idiot. It's no wonder nobody trusts this guy when it comes to Favre and what's best for the team. I mean just look at the situation this fool has us in.

Whats you point...

You're response was directed at me, and conversations in other threads that don't have anything to do with THIS thread.

Don't forget who led you to over achieve and win 13 games and a trip to the NFC championship game.

My response isn't directed at you. It's making reference to a salary cap fact you made in your post.

We're talking about the Favre/cap situation and my point is TT has done an incredible job building a young team that is a Super Bowl contender yet 30 million under the cap. For this reason we may want to trust the guy, show a little support and commend him on what a great job he's done. I feel speaking highly of our players and/or management is appropriate in any thread. If the mods disagree I'll understand if they delete my post.

Who led us to a 13 win season? A TEAM built by TT called the Green Bay Packers. A better team than the one that was lead by players Sherman left that went 4-12 two seasons ago.

[Neusch23]

We are 30 mil under the cap because nearly half of that belongs to Brett not being under contract. We were a 13 win team because Brett turned back the clock and played like an MVP.

While TT gets a lot of credit, not one of us can say what we would have won with out Brett playing like one of the top players in the league, at the toughest position to play.

Take him off and put Rodgers in, we are not a 13 win team, and are finishing the season off with a street vet, or Craig Nall at QB since

One could argue, that with out Brett's performance that we wouldn't have been a playoff team last season.

Would we have been able to pull it together in the beginning with a running back by comity and a new QB? With a tougher schedule? I don't know....it remains to be seen...we could...but go back and look at what people here were saying before the season started...most said .500....

[mnstinks]

Whats you point...

You're response was directed at me, and conversations in other threads that don't have anything to do with THIS thread.

Don't forget who led you to over achieve and win 13 games and a trip to the NFC championship game.

Mike McCarthy led us to 13 wins, along with the players TT put on them team. They all deserve credit.

[mnstinks]

We are 30 mil under the cap because nearly half of that belongs to Brett not being under contract. .

Recent figures indicate the Packers are about 32 million under the cap. They gained 11.4 mil in cap space by Favre being on the reserve/retire list. He is still counting about 1.4 mi against.

My point is 11.4 is not half of 32. So give TT some credit.

[bucks59]

Even with Favre's cap hold, 21 million under the cap for a team that was a couple plays away from the Super Bowl is impressive.

[Neusch23]

We are 30 mil under the cap because nearly half of that belongs to Brett not being under contract. .

Recent figures indicate the Packers are about 32 million under the cap. They gained 11.4 mil in cap space by Favre being on the reserve/retire list. He is still counting about 1.4 mi against.

My point is 11.4 is not half of 32. So give TT some credit.

I have given boths sides credit for all of their good, and bad. Those numbers were all rough estimates, as stated before.

Both sides are acting like idiots. I also don't think that having that much cap space is all that impressive.

It might as well be a billion since we are not going to spend it. Hopefully he is able to spend it on the guys he drafted, but if he keeps this up, and the players in the locker room feel like the players from around the league who are commenting, they may not take our money to stay here.

And Brett never should have retired.

[Neusch23]

Whats you point...

You're response was directed at me, and conversations in other threads that don't have anything to do with THIS thread.

Don't forget who led you to over achieve and win 13 games and a trip to the NFC championship game.

Mike McCarthy led us to 13 wins, along with the players TT put on them team. They all deserve credit.

You're right that it is a team effort, but you can't possibly believe that with Rodgers as the qb, who wouldn't have even finished the season, that we would have gone to the NFC championship game? Please.

Brett was the main reason we were there. Along with TT brilliance in the draft, and MM system. But Brett was the glue that brought everything together. Don't forget that.

[Kerb Hohl]

You're right that it is a team effort, but you can't possibly believe that with Rodgers as the qb, who wouldn't have even finished the season, that we would have gone to the NFC championship game? Please.

Brett was the main reason we were there. Along with TT brilliance in the draft, and MM system. But Brett was the glue that brought everything together. Don't forget that.

How do you know that?

The one time I saw AR last season he was better than Brett Favre. Do I think he would have been better for the team last season? No. But you can't make some foolish assumption that Rodgers would have taken us to 6-10. You give way too much credit to Favre.

Whoever was filling in for Sparky today (Wickett or something? I don't listen to 1250 enough) brought up a good point, we were a few plays away from being 9-7 or 10-6, just like we were "a play away from the Super Bowl."

That Philly game had nothing to do with Brett Favre. Other than the final throw of the Denver game Favre did nothing and Denver was a yard away from winning that one at the end of regulation. We might have lost in the Metrodome without a favorable call. Washington was a poor outing by Favre and was won on an opportunistic fumble and return.

You can go the other way by saying if Jones didn't fumble maybe we beat Chicago but do you get my point? Way too much credit for Favre. However, I will give him credit for some clutch deep balls in the Denver, KC, SD, games...but had we gone 9-7 and lost in the divisional round, would you still be flipping out along with all the other fans? My guess is that most of the other fans would still be running wild about this. I almost wish we had gone 5-11 last year so that he could quietly walk away.

[Neusch23]

You're right that it is a team effort, but you can't possibly believe that with Rodgers as the qb, who wouldn't have even finished the season, that we would have gone to the NFC championship game? Please.

Brett was the main reason we were there. Along with TT brilliance in the draft, and MM system. But Brett was the glue that brought everything together. Don't forget that.

How do you know that?

The one time I saw AR last season he was better than Brett Favre. Do I think he would have been better for the team last season? No. But you can't make some foolish assumption that Rodgers would have taken us to 6-10. You give way too much credit to Favre.

Whoever was filling in for Sparky today (Wickett or something? I don't listen to 1250 enough) brought up a good point, we were a few plays away from being 9-7 or 10-6, just like we were "a play away from the Super Bowl."

That Philly game had nothing to do with Brett Favre. Other than the final throw of the Denver game Favre did nothing and Denver was a yard away from winning that one at the end of regulation. We might have lost in the Metrodome without a favorable call. Washington was a poor outing by Favre and was won on an opportunistic fumble and return.

You can go the other way by saying if Jones didn't fumble maybe we beat Chicago but do you get my point? Way too much credit for Favre. However, I will give him credit for some clutch deep balls in the Denver, KC, SD, games...but had we gone 9-7 and lost in the divisional round, would you still be flipping out along with all the other fans? My guess is that most of the other fans would still be running wild about this. I almost wish we had gone 5-11 last year so that he could quietly walk away.

I understand you point completely, but my point was to talk about the QB position, period.

You're right in everything you said we were a matter of plays away from being 2-3 wins less. Fact is that we didn't. What is the cause, especially when we were the youngest team in the league. The vets play a big role. Woodson, Harris at the corners. Barnett at ML. Cliff and tausch holding the line together. And we had a 16 year vet, arguably the greatest QB in the history of the game, play like an MVP.

If Rodgers was the QB, one, we know that he wouldn't have finished the season as it was. Second, I wish people would just leave the dang cowboys game out of it. They didn't prepare for him, and we completely changed how we were playing, to play up to rodgers. It work well, but they didn't game plan for it.

Either way, TT has done a great job of putting this team together, and his fatal flaw will be pushing out really, his best player before he is ready. Who suffers the most? The fans. As it is, he is taking heat for making this public with his bosses, bosses. The executive board is not happy that this has turned into what it is. "There is a light the size of the sports universe pointed at GB right now" to quote my buddy dad who is on the board. He blames TT, since TT is paid to put the players together. They are not happy how it has been handled, and they wish he would have worked harder to keep everything in house. I don't know what he could have done, other than to welcome him back, which to me would be a very easy decision, as long as it would be done with rules, which he, Brett and Bus could have worked out. Then the heat is all on Brett. he could still do that. But the board is very worried about the back lash that could easily happen with our fans if we are not in playoff contention this season. Rodgers isn't going to get to use a lot of excuses.

Bottom line, it should be about winning. Plain and simple. The MVP of the NFC should be behind center for the Green Bay Packers, not a 4 year player with potential, IMO.

[InsideOut]

Sounds like there are a bunch of idiots on the board. My guess is it's made up of a majority of guys who never were involved in playing or coaching pro football. Yet they're critiquing a guy who's been involved in pro football his intire life. As far as making this public that was all Favre. TT and MM kept their mouths shut while Cook, ma and brother Favre rip TT. Favre goes on TV doing interviews stiring the pot. So the board would rather make Favre GM and let him come and go as he pleases if it keeps him from roasting the Packers in the paper?

Favre pushed himself out as he was the one that retired and hasn't filed the papers yet to come back. TT gave him every chance to come back. Favre even said himself when he tried to come back the second time that he wasn't 100% sure. In fact, Favre could come back tomorrow if he'd just file the papers. How is it TT's fault that Favre won't file his papers? Because TT won't hire the players or coaches Favre wants? That's the reason Favre seems to have quit in the first place.

Favre has sucked for the majority of playoff games these past 10 years. He has also stunk it up in our big games against Dallas and NE the year before. If anything he has shown he isn't the guy to lead us to a win in the big game. How do you spin 10 year of playoff failure as meaning he is the best guy to win us the big or playoff game? Because he was on a team the won a Super Bowl 12 year ago?

[Neusch23]

There is an old saying that attitude is a reflection of leadership. I agree with the board. They have a right to be up set with how this have been handled. I am sure they don't see Brett as a saint. My contact is that I have a friend, who's friends Dad or grandpa is on the board. So when I say this, it is now 4th hand, so parts are lost in translation. However, I believe him when he says that they are not happy how this has played out.

TT is ultimately in charge of the players and coaches. MM just coaches them. If you have a disgruntled employee who is under contract, how it is handled falls on Ted.

This has obviously been going on for awhile, and there are much, much better ways he could have handled it that didn't mean drawing a line in the sand. He might not like it, but he is 100% wrong, IMO. Others disagree, and in the USA we are allowed to do that, and I respect their right to not agree with me.

But the way this have been handled, anyone in management of the Packers have a right to be embarrased, and ashamed. I also believe we are just starting to see the back lash from the players. This isn't just between Favre and TT, this is a glimpse of how things are run in GB. This is still a business. With player like LT, Peyton, etc commenting agaist TT, this isn't good either.

It never should have come to the point where Ma, Brothers, friends, and Bus had to lobby for Brett.

[InsideOut]

IMO the only way it doesn't get to this point is if TT does his job the way Favre wants him to. Favre said he was mad because TT didn't interview Mooch for head coach, sign Moss and sign the two O-linemen. I feel Favre is mad TT didn't kiss his butt like Sherman so he quit the day after TT didn't get Moss. Do you think this is what happened? Either way do you think TT should run the team based on what Favre wants?

Who is the one that broke this story to the media...Favre and his family or the Packers?

Is it true that Favre can file papers today and by doing that he'll again be a Packer? If true why won't Favre sign the papers? Favre told Walker to honor his contract and show up at camp. Isn't Favre being a hypocrite and doing the same thing. Favre has a contract and quit it. Now he has the ability to honor the contract and show up at camp. Again...why won't he rejoin the team? Is it because everything needs to be done on his terms? Either way should a player under contract be able to dictate the terms of his return? Are the Packers in the wrong if they don't let a player dictate the team’s direction?

I know it's a team game but in the past 10 years has Favre played poorly in the majority of big and playoff games? These past few years Favre I feel Favre has played bad in cold weather. Just last season in those crazy cold games against the Bears and Giants he was out played by the other QB. He even said after the Giants game his body can no longer take the cold and he isn't sure he wants the ball with the game on the line anymore. Does any of this concern you when it comes to having Favre back.

[Neusch23]

IMO the only way it doesn't get to this point is if TT does his job the way Favre wants him to. Favre said he was mad because TT didn't interview Mooch for head coach, sign Moss and sign the two O-linemen. I feel Favre is mad TT didn't kiss his butt like Sherman so he quit the day after TT didn't get Moss. Do you think this is what happened? Either way do you think TT should run the team based on what Favre wants?

This has nothing to do with doing it Brett's way. That is just silly talk. TT could have easly done things very different. He obviously wanted Brett back after he retired, and set up a time to put things together. Brett, for some reason changed his mind. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it happened. From there TT has chose to play hard ball. Which isn't where he went wrong, IMO. When Brett Called and said he was 100%, they should have set something up then. The only thing that really changed was that they drafted Flynn with a late pick. If you're going to let a 6th or 7th round pick control your decision making...you're joking your self.

Either way, Rodgers is going to be up set. But he is the only player majorly upset. If he is really a big part of our future then we can look to lock him up to an extention now.

Who is the one that broke this story to the media...Favre and his family or the Packers?

What you don't do is put a head strong legend, who know is 100% sure he is going to play, no execptions, who has a contract by the way, on the defensive. That brought the media into it. Brett had made up his mind that he was going to play, and TT had made up his mind that he wasn't going to give Brett the chance. It isn't in TT best interest to alert the media, it was Bretts. Since he felt strongly enough about it, he did.

Is it true that Favre can file papers today and by doing that he'll again be a Packer? If true why won't Favre sign the papers? Favre told Walker to honor his contract and show up at camp. Isn't Favre being a hypocrite and doing the same thing. Favre has a contract and quit it. Now he has the ability to honor the contract and show up at camp. Again...why won't he rejoin the team? Is it because everything needs to be done on his terms? Either way should a player under contract be able to dictate the terms of his return? Are the Packers in the wrong if they don't let a player dictate the team’s direction?

First, Brett isn't holding out, like other players have. He retired after 17 seasons in the NFL. He has made it quite clear that he will only return as the STARTER. Since he wasn't given that as a promise, and we all know who the better QB is, he isn't going to sign those papers because the team could then start fining him 15K a day for not showing up to camp. Since he would be on the roster they would do that. So, he stays retired until they come to their senses and start him, release him, or trade him. HE NEVER QUIT, in the terms that I see quiting as giving up when your team needs you most. He retired for the reasons he stated, now he feels different. He is human. I wish he wouldn't have, but he did.

I know it's a team game but in the past 10 years has Favre played poorly in the majority of big and playoff games? These past few years Favre I feel Favre has played bad in cold weather. Just last season in those crazy cold games against the Bears and Giants he was out played by the other QB. He even said after the Giants game his body can no longer take the cold and he isn't sure he wants the ball with the game on the line anymore. Does any of this concern you when it comes to having Favre back.

Yeah, he has played sooo poorly that he led us to the NFC championship game, and retired the all time winningest QB of all time. This arguement means nothing, IMO because it is his play that helps get us to those games in the first place. He also was playing from behind, with no running game working and going against D's that are fully covering the pass. It is what it is.

I don't think I can convince you, and you're not going to change my mind. I don't support TT, or Brett. I just want to win, and I don't see how TT can believe that Rodgers is the best option for NEXT year.

This is a battle of egos, and both look like idiots.