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Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:05 pm
by Fandom
A new twist in the Brett Favre soap opera.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8351554?MSNHPHMAAs the days roll by, the Brett Favre saga seems to get stranger and stranger. Now the soap opera has shifted to a new level.
In the latest twist, the Packers have filed tampering charges with the league office against the Minnesota Vikings for alleged communication with Favre, still technically a member of Green Bay, FOXSports.com has learned. The league, according to a source, is currently in information-gathering mode, speaking to members of both teams.
The Vikings were informed late last week that the allegation is that Favre has had inappropriate dialogue with Minnesota offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, a close Favre friend and former assistant coach with the Packers. Favre has sought his release from Green Bay and several rumors have swirled that Minnesota is his targeted landing place, largely due to his relationship with Bevell.
League sources say the Vikings vehemently denied any wrongdoing and are awaiting the league's next step in the process. The Packers, meanwhile, have supplied the league with their version of wrongdoing.
Should the league find the Vikings guilty of tampering, they could lose draft picks and/or face fines.
The entire affair escalated to an ugly level this week when Favre conducted an interview with FOX News' Greta Van Susteren in which the living legend took the Packers to task for refusing to release him. In fact, a leaked version of the transcript had Favre blasting GM Ted Thompson, but in another odd twist, that portion of the interview has not been shown on the air.
The Packers have refused to grant the league's all-time leading passer's request for a release due in part to their fear that he would sign with the Vikings. Despite the wave of speculation, Vikings head coach Brad Childress insists that Tarvaris Jackson is his guy.
The entire affair is unfortunate, as Favre is more synonymous with Green Bay than any other player is with a city. At the same time, however, fans are now forced to make judgments for or against their hometown hero/team.
Calls by FOXSports.com to head coaches of both teams have not yet been returned.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:20 pm
by Thunder Muscle
Just saw this. Yikes is this getting crazy!
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:20 am
by paulpressey25
If I were Darrell Bevell, I'd try to talk Favre out of retirement as well. I'd rather have Brett than Tavaris Jackson any day of the week.
What I don't understand is how this constitutes "Tampering". The guy is retired. He's simply talking with his buddy affiliated with a different team about whether he'd come back and play or not. It is one thing if Favre were in his prime on an active roster....he's not. He should be free to talk to whoever he wants. He's not being paid by Green Bay.
Now, if he wants back, rightfully Brett will still have to work through Green Bay since they have his rights. But talking when retired doesn't seem that bad to me.
I suppose that TT wants the message out that he wants no other teams talking to Favre and giving him ideas they'd take him.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:53 am
by crkone
paulpressey25 wrote:If I were Darrell Bevell, I'd try to talk Favre out of retirement as well. I'd rather have Brett than Tavaris Jackson any day of the week.
What I don't understand is how this constitutes "Tampering". The guy is retired. He's simply talking with his buddy affiliated with a different team about whether he'd come back and play or not. It is one thing if Favre were in his prime on an active roster....he's not. He should be free to talk to whoever he wants. He's not being paid by Green Bay.
Now, if he wants back, rightfully Brett will still have to work through Green Bay since they have his rights. But talking when retired doesn't seem that bad to me.
I suppose that TT wants the message out that he wants no other teams talking to Favre and giving him ideas they'd take him.
I think that Bevell talked to him about his situation. And he probably said, "You know we'd love to have you here."
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:38 am
by Wade-A-Holic
Given the fact that the Vikings' entire free agency strategy revolves around signing NFC North opponents' players, I'm not surprised. Any opportunity the Packers get to cause trouble for the Vikings, more power to them.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:58 am
by mnstinks
What I don't understand is how this constitutes "Tampering". The guy is retired. He's simply talking with his buddy affiliated with a different team about whether he'd come back and play or not. It is one thing if Favre were in his prime on an active roster....he's not. He should be free to talk to whoever he wants. He's not being paid by Green Bay.
It is tampering...
Favre never officially retired. He never filed his papers.
He is on the Packers reserved/retired list, which means the Packers still have his rights but he doesn't count against their 80 man roster.
Because he is on that list he must file for reinstatement with the league to rejoin the team.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:14 am
by xTitan
paulpressey25 wrote:If I were Darrell Bevell, I'd try to talk Favre out of retirement as well. I'd rather have Brett than Tavaris Jackson any day of the week.
What I don't understand is how this constitutes "Tampering". The guy is retired. He's simply talking with his buddy affiliated with a different team about whether he'd come back and play or not. It is one thing if Favre were in his prime on an active roster....he's not. He should be free to talk to whoever he wants. He's not being paid by Green Bay.
Now, if he wants back, rightfully Brett will still have to work through Green Bay since they have his rights. But talking when retired doesn't seem that bad to me.
I suppose that TT wants the message out that he wants no other teams talking to Favre and giving him ideas they'd take him.
You don't understand? Favre is still under contract regardless....if you let any player who claims to retire talk to any other, team then everyone who wants off there current team would retire at the end of the season in hopes of forcing a deal before the next year starts. A growing theory is that Favre wanted a trade all along and the Vikings were a main target, the flip flopping, waiting until the last minute....Favre did ask for a trade last year as well, when he thought his GM skills were needed.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:21 am
by mnstinks
xTitan wrote:
A growing theory is that Favre wanted a trade all along and the Vikings were a main target, the flip flopping, waiting until the last minute....Favre did ask for a trade last year as well, when he thought his GM skills were needed.
My thoughts too
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:33 am
by Kerb Hohl
According to a source in Green Bay, the Packers believe they have a great case against the Vikings for tampering. First, they believe the Vikings were willing to talk to Favre in order to cause chaos within the Packers family during the summer. The Vikings open the season in Green Bay.
One source suggests that Favre might have had a conversation with Brad Childress. They are also going to tell Goodell Favre might have admitted to a Packers employee that he could go to the Vikings.
Naturally, all of these charges will be hotly contested by the Vikings.
-- John Clayton
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:39 am
by ReasonablySober
Wow, I'm late to the party but when I saw the headline on SI.com my first reaction was "Holy Sh*t!!"
From the start it was obvious that Favre's motive was to get to playing, but with the Vikings.
If the allegations are true I'm not gonna lie, I'm impressed by the Purple.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:20 am
by TheGhostDog
Muahaha! TT smells free draft picks and you know how much he loves draft picks, or if nothing else TT gets the NFL to strip the Vikings of theirs. New NFL Commish Goodell penalized the 49ers before this year's draft under vaguely similar circumstances.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0- ... ering.htmlhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/s ... id=3325410
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:08 am
by humanrefutation
This was a brilliant move on TT's part. If he thought they were trying to cause chaos and controversy in the Packer family, then why not do the same to them by making them seem like they doubt TJack's capabilities by reaching out to Brett.
TT is the man.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:13 am
by magicfan4life05
What I don't get is how someone in the Packers organization can find out about this, Couldn't I just have a phone call with one of you, how would by boss figure it out? are they listening to my calls?
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:53 pm
by TheGhostDog
magicfan4life05 wrote:What I don't get is how someone in the Packers organization can find out about this, Couldn't I just have a phone call with one of you, how would by boss figure it out? are they listening to my calls?
If you listen to the complete Favre Van Susteren interviews it's readily apparent that Favre can blab on and on, idly name-dropping (Campen, Brandt, MM & TT) what should be private, priviledged information without much regard for consequences. (He's Brett Favre after all; he thinks he's above petty things like consequences and contracts.) I am thinking this weakness can cut both ways - Favre probably let slip the tone of his Bevell conversations while gabbing with someone currently still with the Packers. Heck, maybe this is why MM said Campen's job is safe - he's also feeding info back to the Pack.
But it could be any number of people Favre chats with while riding his tractor all day, it doesn't matter who. Once the Packers hear about Favre talking to Viking personnel they notify the NFL and let the League start checking phone records (as they did in the 49er/Briggs tampering case). At that point Goodell may act, even not knowing the contents of the conversation, just to send a message about tampering.
From an AP story re Campen:
McCarthy said the Packers told Campen to visit Favre as a friend, not on behalf of the team, once they had heard Favre was having second thoughts about retirement earlier in the offseason. McCarthy said it was Favre and his representatives, not the team, who turned Campen into an "intermediary" between Favre and the front office.
"I think he's totally, wrongly been illustrated in this," McCarthy said. "Ted would not even talk to Campen about this. He said, 'Hey, your personal relationship with Brett Favre is bigger than this, so don't ever put yourself in that position.' ... James was put in a tough spot. He was put in a situation that was purely personal."
While Favre's comment isn't likely to get Campen fired, it certainly didn't do his old buddy's career any favors. Would another team consider hiring Campen away for a more prestigious job if it seems like he's capable of undermining their front office?
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:12 pm
by TheGhostDog
More on the "inappropriate" phone calls between Favre and Bevell, from Minnesota paper:
http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikin ... tModules:1
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:58 pm
by humanrefutation
A pull from the article posted above by TGD:
But a source told the Associated Press late Wednesday that Packers officials believe a league examination of phone records would indicate more than normal contact between Favre and Bevell. The source also said the Packers believe the contact began before Favre asked the team to release him and that Minnesota's interest was Favre's primary motivation for wanting to play this season.
If that last part is true, Favre is willing to take a bigger sh** on his legacy than I thought.
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:05 am
by humanrefutation
Per the MJS and John Clayton, Favre apparently used a cell phone licensed to him by the Packers to make several phone calls to Brad Childress. So, this is turning out to be more than a friendly chat between Favre and Bevel.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3500610
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:06 am
by ReasonablySober
I know Favre's not the smartest tool in the shed, but with the Packers paying the cell phone bill, how can he not expect this to come back and bite him in the ass? Your landline not good enough, Brett?
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 1:59 pm
by MartyConlonOnTheRun
DrugBust wrote:I know Favre's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but with the Packers paying the cell phone bill, how can he not expect this to come back and bite him in the ass? Your landline not good enough, Brett?
Fixed.
I agree. If Draft picks are involved, is there anychance we get them? Or are they just penalized to the Vikings?
Re: Packers say Vikings tampered with Favre
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:44 pm
by ReasonablySober
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:DrugBust wrote:I know Favre's not the sharpest tool in the shed, but with the Packers paying the cell phone bill, how can he not expect this to come back and bite him in the ass? Your landline not good enough, Brett?
Fixed.
I agree. If Draft picks are involved, is there anychance we get them? Or are they just penalized to the Vikings?
