Just to clarify

[eagle13]

I have supported TT since his 2nd year when he showed some smarts
I support him now in the Brett thing.

But he does not walk on water.

He probably should have made Moss trade that 1st time but I guess Board nixed it. So he gets a pass on that. I agreed with not signing Moss to huge deal last year.

But he does and has made mistakes. This is 3rd article published that says this. One from JS a year ago TT admitted he might have done better with the OL. Anyway here is current...

NOT bashing TT at all just showing a few people the truth.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

[ReasonablySober]

I have supported TT since his 2nd year when he showed some smarts
I support him now in the Brett thing.

But he does not walk on water.

He probably should have made Moss trade that 1st time but I guess Board nixed it. So he gets a pass on that. I agreed with not signing Moss to huge deal last year.

But he does and has made mistakes. This is 3rd article published that says this. One from JS a year ago TT admitted he might have done better with the OL. Anyway here is current...

NOT bashing TT at all just showing a few people the truth.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

You can bash TT over the O-Line, but the fact is they paved the way for one of the best rushing attacks in the league last season once they found an NFL caliber back. Months ago I debunked the '3rd and short' stat that people liked to bring up. The only time Favre ran into trouble was when he went up against NY, the same line that terrorized Tom Brady and an All-Pro laden offensive line in the Super Bowl.

[InsideOut]

I have supported TT since his 2nd year when he showed some smarts
I support him now in the Brett thing.

But he does not walk on water.

He probably should have made Moss trade that 1st time but I guess Board nixed it. So he gets a pass on that. I agreed with not signing Moss to huge deal last year.

But he does and has made mistakes. This is 3rd article published that says this. One from JS a year ago TT admitted he might have done better with the OL. Anyway here is current...

NOT bashing TT at all just showing a few people the truth.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

So you feel you needed to post this because there are people that feel TT has never made any mistakes? I have a hard time believing anyone thinks any GM ever has made nothing but perfect moves.

[eagle13]

So you feel you needed to post this because there are people that feel TT has never made any mistakes? I have a hard time believing anyone thinks any GM ever has made nothing but perfect moves.

Yes - one posted right before you. Take note Inside Out. Watch Pavlov's dog theory work. Say anything even minor bad about TT even if its generally accepted and watch Db pounce.

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You can bash TT over the O-Line, but the fact is they paved the way for one of the best rushing attacks in the league last season once they found an NFL caliber back. Months ago I debunked the '3rd and short' stat that people liked to bring up. The only time Favre ran into trouble was when he went up against NY, the same line that terrorized Tom Brady and an All-Pro laden offensive line in the Super Bowl.

Typical. First you ignore my support and non bashing. Can't read?
Second, you obviously did not read article that talks about poor blocking. Even coaches acknowledge that

But you'll argue.

[El Duderino]

One thing i'm curious to watch this year in regards to the offensive line is the sack totals. I've long felt that one reason for the yearly low sack totals with Brett at QB besides all the short passes is that Brett doesn't take sacks unless there is no option.

1. I think as he's aged, Brett really more than ever hates getting hit and will do nearly anything to get rid of the ball so as to not get hit much or sacked.

2. Brett because of his arm and unique talent has always been able to throw pretty well while backing up and at weird arm slots when pressured. Of course some of those throws got picked off, but few if any QB's in history have been able to throw passes pretty well while backing up or just on his back foot. On so many of those plays, a normal QB simply has to tuck the ball and take the sack.

3. Favre has such a quick release which has saved him for extra hits and sacks.

4. Favre while not fast at all anymore, he has always had a great feel for pressure while in the pocket and how to side step it.


I'm sure McCarthy will devise the offense with a good number of roll outs to take advantage of Rodgers superior athletic ability compared to Favre, but i am curious to see if Aaron ends up getting hit more and getting sacked more given he hopefully won't be trying to copy Brett by throwing off his back foot with pressure coming at him.

[eagle13]

Dude - the OL has been pretty good at pass blocking - primarily due to our vet OTs. so Rod has help. I agree his mobility should help alot. In most cases taking a sack is better than throwing one up for grabs ala Brett heart-breaker. But it also means more potential for injury.

[eagle13]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

"Both guard positions have been in flux since the Packers let veterans Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera depart as free agents after the 2004 season. Over the past three seasons, five players (Adrian Klemm, Wells, Spitz, Colledge and Junius Coston) have started at left guard and five (Will Whitticker, Grey Ruegamer, Tony Moll, Spitz, Coston) at right guard. Coaches utilized five different combinations last season.

After drafting Colledge and Spitz in 2006, Packers General Manager Ted Thompson continued to try to address the position by using fourth-round picks on Barbre and Sitton — both college tackles — the past two years with the idea of playing each at guard."

I know some of you will bitch about this. I mean no ill will. It is relevant because many say you cannot evaluate drafts or other moves until years pass. So 3 years and 10 players later we MAYBE wil have our G position set. I might of had one sure replacement identified before releasing both starters.

[xTitan]

I have supported TT since his 2nd year when he showed some smarts
I support him now in the Brett thing.

But he does not walk on water.

He probably should have made Moss trade that 1st time but I guess Board nixed it. So he gets a pass on that. I agreed with not signing Moss to huge deal last year.

But he does and has made mistakes. This is 3rd article published that says this. One from JS a year ago TT admitted he might have done better with the OL. Anyway here is current...

NOT bashing TT at all just showing a few people the truth.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/app ... NTCAROUSEL

You can bash TT over the O-Line, but the fact is they paved the way for one of the best rushing attacks in the league last season once they found an NFL caliber back. Months ago I debunked the '3rd and short' stat that people liked to bring up. The only time Favre ran into trouble was when he went up against NY, the same line that terrorized Tom Brady and an All-Pro laden offensive line in the Super Bowl.

I don't agree totally with this, Favre was not pressured much by the Giants, College actually had the best game of his career against Justin Tuck...the game plan was to shut down the Packer running in the freezing cold....which they did.

[xTitan]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080806/PKR01/80806163/1058&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

"Both guard positions have been in flux since the Packers let veterans Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera depart as free agents after the 2004 season. Over the past three seasons, five players (Adrian Klemm, Wells, Spitz, Colledge and Junius Coston) have started at left guard and five (Will Whitticker, Grey Ruegamer, Tony Moll, Spitz, Coston) at right guard. Coaches utilized five different combinations last season.

After drafting Colledge and Spitz in 2006, Packers General Manager Ted Thompson continued to try to address the position by using fourth-round picks on Barbre and Sitton — both college tackles — the past two years with the idea of playing each at guard."

I know some of you will bitch about this. I mean no ill will. It is relevant because many say you cannot evaluate drafts or other moves until years pass. So 3 years and 10 players later we MAYBE wil have our G position set. I might of had one sure replacement identified before releasing both starters.

The only problem wuith your theory is the guard position was bad when Wahle and Rivera were let go because Marco was a massive bust in Dallas, and cost them millions, while Wahle had 1 pro-bowl season and went downhill fast after that.....that was another bad signing by Carolina. I guess if your position is TT can't draft offensive lineman...I don't know what to say, the offense really clicked last year, with the only weak spot belonging to College, because Spitz has fit in quite nicely.

[MickeyDavis]

While we have taken 3 years to try to sort out the guard mess, Tauscher is a free agent after this season. Clifton is a free agent the after the 2009 season. Tauscher will be 32 when his next contract starts. Clifton will be 34.

Will TT pay big money to guys that age or do we start doing with tackles what we have been doing with guards the last 3 years.

It will be interesting to see what TT does with the tackle situation.

[Wade-A-Holic]

While we have taken 3 years to try to sort out the guard mess, Tauscher is a free agent after this season. Clifton is a free agent the after the 2009 season. Tauscher will be 32 when his next contract starts. Clifton will be 34.

Will TT pay big money to guys that age or do we start doing with tackles what we have been doing with guards the last 3 years.

It will be interesting to see what TT does with the tackle situation.

Tauscher is a guy that I'd feel much more comfortable giving a big new contract to. He'll be younger at the start of his next new deal, as you pointed out. He doesn't have quite the injury history Clifton has, and if he loses a bit, he's a guy that can easily be moved inside to guard.

I hope that Thompson has learned that, while you can probably bring along one new piece on the offensive line and live with some mistakes out of him, it is extremely difficult to do that with two new guys and still be consistent/successful there.

[El Duderino]

The Packers have been very fortunate that both tackles have been so durable over their years in Green Bay. Hopefully for the team and Rodgers sake it continues for another year, especially with Clifton. Moll is learning going from the right side to left, so there might be some excuse for his terrible play on Sunday, but i certainly don't think the odds are high that he could fill in for Clifton half way decently. My guess is they would put College at LT, but i wouldn't like his chances either given he lacks size.

To be fair to Ted, LT isn't an easy spot to fill and it can be hard for teams to have one high quality LT on the roster, much less having a quality backup. Last season the Packers for the most part had very good health on the OL compared to the rest of the league. As much as it's worth debating who wins the LG spot, i'm just as concerned about who plays left or right tackle if an injury strikes.

Favre while not very mobile, he had great pocket savvy and the ability to avoid sacks by being able to throw while backing up and being pressured, i sure hope Rodgers doesn't try and emulate that. The health of our tackles will likely play a sizable factor in Rodgers ability to have a good season. Without reasonably quality depth, few things like an injury ravaged OL can torpedo a season.

[paulpressey25]

There is no question that Favre was extremely elusive in the pocket. He figured out how to avoid a beating.....

I was looking at his stats at this link:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/s ... ayerId=112

It is amazing how consistent he was and the numbers. But going to the topic at hand, look at the second chart with his rushing totals. Starting in 2000 he essentially stopped being a running threat. Just stopped. I couldn't believe that he only gained 12 yards rushing all last year.

I think Rodgers can bring a new dimension to the offense with scrambling, but it might also result in him getting massively injured as well.

[eagle13]

While we have taken 3 years to try to sort out the guard mess, Tauscher is a free agent after this season. Clifton is a free agent the after the 2009 season. Tauscher will be 32 when his next contract starts. Clifton will be 34.

Will TT pay big money to guys that age or do we start doing with tackles what we have been doing with guards the last 3 years.

It will be interesting to see what TT does with the tackle situation.

Certainly backup LT is more concern than RT this season due to Chads injury history.
I sense Barbe may develop as LT. If we're lucky.
I'd practice Colledge and Beno at RT a lot this year and by season's end see if either can be solid there.
IF not I''d resign Tausch next off season.
UNLESS
by some freak chance a decent younger FA LT was avaialable.
Then I spend big $ on him instead. Let Tuasch walk and move Barbre to RT.

[crkone]

Where ever Sitton plays he will be a good one, as he has received much praise throughout training camp shutting down the D on one-on-ones.