Which QB To Bring In

Post #1 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:00 am

Rodgers said after the game he thinks he has a separated shoulder. We'll know tomorrow. If he does I can't imagine he plays next week. And I can't imagine going with our two very green rookies.

There isn't much out there. An NFL exec said this week that the reason Culpepper is retired is because his knee is still horrible and he runs in "cement shoes". Vinny is 87 years old.

There isn't much out there.

But the problem is if we bring in another QB we either have to keep 4 or put one of the rookies on the practice squad and risk losing him. You can't put Rodgers on the IR list unless you think he'll miss 6 weeks.

It will be interesting to see what happens. Hopefully it's not a sep shoulder.

msiris · Post #2 » by **msiris** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:10 am

Just go with the rookie. Nobody out there who could do much better.

smooth 'lil balla · Post #3 » by **smooth 'lil balla** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:11 am

It TT brings in another quarterback it says he didn't really have this whole thing planned out. We all hoped Rodgers would stay healthy, but I know i thought you get injured. He's gotten banged around pretty good, and if his shoulder is separated, I can't imagine it being less than a month, but i'm not a doctor.

Go with the rookies. it'd be completely pointless to bring anyone else in.

Post #4 » by **Jollay** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:35 am

We just gotta take our lumps at this stage due to TT not thinking a team coming off a 13-3 season and with a gazillion in cap room needs more than a 7th round draft pick as the backup. Hope A-Rod misses minimal time if any. A vet at this stage would not be worth the learning period to learn our offense, etc.

Brodie Croyle seperated his shoulder and has/will miss about a month total. If Aaron Rodgers is gone a month we are hurting big time, obviously.

I stand by what I said preseason; there is not a logical reason we didn't go get a corner and a QB as vet backups with all the cap room we have/had. Wish I had been wrong.

mnstinks · Post #5 » by **mnstinks** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:30 am

Jollay wrote:We just gotta take our lumps at this stage due to TT not thinking a team coming off a 13-3 season and with a gazillion in cap room needs more than a 7th round draft pick as the backup. Hope A-Rod misses minimal time if any. A vet at this stage would not be worth the learning period to learn our offense, etc.

Brodie Croyle seperated his shoulder and has/will miss about a month total. If Aaron Rodgers is gone a month we are hurting big time, obviously.

I stand by what I said preseason; there is not a logical reason we didn't go get a corner and a QB as vet backups with all the cap room we have/had. Wish I had been wrong.

And the vet QB would have been...???

Post #6 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:36 am

A guy we could've reasonably got was Chris Simms. Now he's elsewhere. Tim Rattay? AJ Feely? Ugh.

Post #7 » by **Jollay** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:24 am

mnstinks wrote:
Jollay wrote:We just gotta take our lumps at this stage due to TT not thinking a team coming off a 13-3 season and with a gazillion in cap room needs more than a 7th round draft pick as the backup. Hope A-Rod misses minimal time if any. A vet at this stage would not be worth the learning period to learn our offense, etc.

Brodie Croyle seperated his shoulder and has/will miss about a month total. If Aaron Rodgers is gone a month we are hurting big time, obviously.

I stand by what I said preseason; there is not a logical reason we didn't go get a corner and a QB as vet backups with all the cap room we have/had. Wish I had been wrong.

And the vet QB would have been...???

You're right, there were no veteran backup Qbs available since March.

None certainly better than Matt Flynn in his rookie year in week 5, anyway, and certainly no backup that wouldn't have ruined our cap situation.

Gosh, if only the Texans hadn't nabbed Quinn Gray away from us for 600k for one year! If only the Chargers and Saints, recognizing it is important to have an experienced backup when you consider yourself a playoff team, signed away Volek and Brunell.

In short. Take. Your. Pick. Don't care. Who. It shoulda been done. Period.

Post #8 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:39 am

I'm not sure but we may have been the first team in history to go into a season with not one NFL start between any of their QB's.

Post #9 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:41 am

Yeah....I like TT but I think he got ahead of himself as a "genius" here this past offseason.

McGinn took him to task this morning for the whole Harrell-Brohm-Corey Williams fiasco. TT really blew that one.

I think Matt Flynn is our starter for the next month. It took Gadzuric about 5 weeks to heal his shoulder enough to return to action.

El Duderino · Post #10 » by **El Duderino** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:18 am

It's to late to bother bringing in a QB now, nothing left out there and any new QB would have to learn the offense.

If Ted wanted a backup with experience, that has to be done in the offseason so the guy can learn the offense and be at least somewhat comfortable entering a game.

With our offensive line performing terribly at opening holes, i can't see us being able to run well enough to function offensively at a decent level if Rodgers misses multiple games.

All we can hope is Aaron at worst misses one game

Post #11 » by **Jollay** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:44 am

If it is separated, it's nice that we have the bye week on the horizon--maybe he would only miss three games.

Kelly Holcomb retired this offseason I believe because nobody wanted him; but I don't know if he woulda been worth it, could very well be he's shot like Culpepper apparently is.

Mags FTW · Post #12 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:32 am

paulpressey25 wrote:McGinn took him to task this morning for the whole Harrell-Brohm-Corey Williams fiasco. TT really blew that one.

Corey Williams has 6 solo tackles and a half a sack.

As for Rodgers, could he really throw that last TD and come in that last series if it was really separated?

rilamann · Post #13 » by **rilamann** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:52 am

Hopefully Rodgers is ok and if he does miss time its a short period of time obviously.

With the D banged up and the running game non existant we wont beat anybody with Flynn starting at QB.

Hell even if the D was healthy and the running game was decent we'd have a hard time winning with Flynn in there and the sad thing is that as bad as Flynn is Brohm is even worse.

At least Flynn could make plays (in preseason) vs 4th stringers 99% of which arent currently on NFL rosters,Brohm couldnt even do that.

If you want a vet bring in Craig Nall,I know he sucks but compared to Flynn & Brohm he looks like Tom Brady.At least Nall knows the playbook and has worked with our offense.

xTitan · Post #14 » by **xTitan** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:56 am

Eli Manning played through a separated shoulde last year, it all comes down to the degree of the separation and that may be determined tomorrow or Tuesday.

As far as Corey Williams goes the Packers coaching staff didn't like his work ethic and believed he has Clet Hunt written all over him, that is why they didn't offer him a deal. They also don't believe he is a starting caliber DT, so if you pay a back-up DT big money just think what you will have to pay the starters. The problem isn't losing Corey Williams, it is that you don't have a 4th DT for the rotation.

As bad as the DL has looked at stopping the run and as vanilla and boring as the defensive scheme is as a whole the 2 biggest problems facing this Packer team by far are injuries and the absolutely horrible play of the offensive line.

rilamann · Post #15 » by **rilamann** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:04 am

Titan,saying our defensive scheme is vanilla is giving it way to much credit haha.

I agree though,I think we have a solid group of guys on defense but the scheme is too boring and vanilla.Time for Bob Sanders to grow a pair or maybe grow a brain and mix it up and get more agressive.

I also agree the o-line flat out sucks and so does Grant,Grants terrible play hasnt been helped by the o-line but Grant has been terrible in his own right.Hes looking more and more like a half season fluke or one hit wonder everytime he touches the ball.

Grant is becomming Ahaman Green (butterfingers) but without the 100+ yard games you consistiantly got from Green.Its like getting Ahman's fummbles with 20 yard games.

El Duderino · Post #16 » by **El Duderino** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:19 am

A lot of things go into winning and losing games, but besides injuries, my biggest concern is the last two weeks the Packers pretty badly lost the battle on the line of scrimmage on both offense and defense. Very hard to win games when your lines get controlled.

Both the Bucs and Cowboys defensive lines whipped our offensive line. Defensively, both Dallas and the Bucs ran all over the defense and besides Jenkins/Kampman, nobody on the defensive line has shown any ability to pressure the QB.

The even more scary thing on the offensive line is that not only is the middle of the line not getting the job done, both tackles aren't pass blocking as well as years past.

rilamann · Post #17 » by **rilamann** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:26 am

Yea Clifton is starting to look washed up.

Post #18 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:04 pm

It's not even so much the loss of Williams himself, but the decision not to try to replace him, to go with what we have.

bucks59 · Post #19 » by **bucks59** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:25 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Yeah....I like TT but I think he got ahead of himself as a "genius" here this past offseason.

McGinn took him to task this morning for the whole Harrell-Brohm-Corey Williams fiasco. TT really blew that one.

I think Matt Flynn is our starter for the next month. It took Gadzuric about 5 weeks to heal his shoulder enough to return to action.

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MajorDad · Post #20 » by **MajorDad** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:47 pm

there were pleny of Qbs available last spring. however, they would have required a trade- something TT hates to do. To say there were none available is like saying people prefer dip in dots in january. We could have traded for or acquired simms as a free agent. joey harrington is always available. We should have asked for pennington in the favre deal. jeff garcia is available. green is probably available as bulger gets his old job back. favre was available this spring until he got in a pissing contest with Tt. he did pretty good for a guy with a bad leg. Vince young could be available. trent dilfer is always availble. grossman and ferotte were available in the spring. TT was very stupid to go into the season with a QB with no game experience to be backed up by two rookies. TT could have acquired a lot more veteran QBs if he was willing to trade a 3rd or 4th round pick. these guys are not star players, but the y at least could have come in learned the system and become insurance. this is what happens when you are soooo stubburn at proving a point to favre.

I still don't understand why TT saved so much cap salary this year. it's not like the packers needed to save that money or were going broke. hopefully he didn't invest the money in banking institutions stock. I had hoped when Tt unloaded favre, that he had a plan other than to prove rogers was better.