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Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:20 am
by humanrefutation
From Jay Glazer:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8722 ... co-benched

The New Orleans Saints, who have three players facing four-game suspensions due to testing positive for water pills, aren't the only team feeling the heat of possibly losing multiple Pro Bowlers.

FOX Sports has learned that both of the Minnesota Vikings' Pro Bowl defensive tackles, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, are also facing suspensions for testing positive for the same product. Losing one of the Williams would be a major blow to the Vikings but to possibly lose both would serve as a major blow to the NFC North contenders.

The Williams aren't the only defensive tackles facing the penalty as well. FOX Sports has also learned that the Falcons' Grady Jackson tested positive for the water pill and is facing a four-game ban just like the other players who are currently fighting the suspension.

This trio joins, among others, Saints players Deuce McAllister, Charles Grant and Will Smith. But those aren't the only Saints to get caught in this growing web. It turns out, Saints guard Jamar Nesbit had also tested positive for the pill but he took his four-game suspension a month ago. His test, according to sources, came back earlier than the others.

The fact that Nesbit has already taken a four-game ban does not bode well for the remaining players who are attempting to fight their pending suspensions.

The Saints players' appeal, in which they have decided to band together and appeal as one, is set for the middle of November. The Vikings' suspension appeal was slated for this past week, the team's bye week, but it was pushed back.

Water pills are deemed illegal in the NFL because they can be used to mask positive steroid tests. However, considering the players who have tested positive, the intent appears to be to cut weight, and not for a masking agent.

Many of the players who have taken the product have long used water pills in order to make weight as they show up to camp or in order to make certain weight on a weekly basis. Guys like the Williams duo, Grady Jackson, Charles Grant appear on the surface to clearly fall under this reasoning.

It's a shame that players who use such pills, which are readily available at drug stores and health food stores, are swept in the same category as those who try test positive for juicing.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:14 pm
by Enrique
hopefully they miss the Packers game.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:17 pm
by Worm Guts
They tested positive for water pills, not for steriods. The punishment is the same, so I'm not sure it matters but I think your title is misleading.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:25 pm
by ReasonablySober
Worm Guts wrote:They tested positive for water pills, not for steriods. The punishment is the same, so I'm not sure it matters but I think your title is misleading.


Agreed.

The fact that three of the guys we're talking about are Grady Jackson and the Williams sisters probably means they were trying to shed pounds.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:17 pm
by MickeyDavis
Yeah most of those guys have weight clauses in their contracts which is likely why they used the water pills. But they are still banned (they can help mask roids). There is no excuse for a player taking a banned substance, even though they will surely plead ignorance.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:28 pm
by aaprigs311
Sort of reminds me of the Mike Cameron situation, but if there aren't rigid guidelines and restrictions you know damn well there will be players abusing the system and slipping through the cracks. The Vikes have no chance with or without the Williams "brothers."

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:32 pm
by an_also
this will just give queens fans a easy excuse when they lose to us

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:10 pm
by Fandom
this will just give queens fans a easy excuse when they lose to us


What's their excuse for when they lost to us in the opener this year; when both Williams played in the game?

Queen fans always have an excuse for something.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:50 pm
by humanrefutation
Worm Guts wrote:They tested positive for water pills, not for steriods. The punishment is the same, so I'm not sure it matters but I think your title is misleading.


Changed and Done.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:19 am
by eagle13
You just gotta love those Vikes!
They just might be getting competitive ... with the Lions!
NFL may finally have a franchise to rival NBA's Isiah'sKnix, Ted Septien'sCavs & Donald Sterling'sClips

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:26 am
by Mags FTW
Fandom wrote:
this will just give queens fans a easy excuse when they lose to us


What's their excuse for when they lost to us in the opener this year; when both Williams played in the game?

McKinney out and Tavaris starting.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive for Steroids

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:53 am
by Balls2TheWalls
Mags FTW wrote:
Fandom wrote:
this will just give queens fans a easy excuse when they lose to us


What's their excuse for when they lost to us in the opener this year; when both Williams played in the game?

McKinney out and Tavaris starting.


I would say that this has more to do with bad coaching than anything, but Frerotte would not have beaten us. McKinney being out probably hurt them quite a bit.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive

Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:46 pm
by MadCityBucky
Facing a four game suspension for both. Would be nice to have them out for the Packers game and out of contention (not that they had a chance).

In other news, Jolly got indicted.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:15 pm
by MajorDad
Jolly- nice to see our justice system works. Too bad the packers didn't release him and find a replacement. I don't have any sympathy for him or the packers management hoping he'd get off the hook.

i feel bad the steriod users and steriod maskers get a 4 game suspension, but if a player is caught with cocaine, he just enters the NFL drug program and doesn't get any suspension.

so when are NFL players going to stop taking HGH? and when is anybody going to care?

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:41 pm
by aaprigs311
MajorDad wrote:Jolly- nice to see our justice system works. Too bad the packers didn't release him and find a replacement. I don't have any sympathy for him or the packers management hoping he'd get off the hook.

i feel bad the steriod users and steriod maskers get a 4 game suspension, but if a player is caught with cocaine, he just enters the NFL drug program and doesn't get any suspension.

so when are NFL players going to stop taking HGH? and when is anybody going to care?


Damn dude, where do you come up with this stuff? He was arrested for possession of codeine, not cocaine. There's a significant difference.

Re: Report: Pat and Kevin Williams Test Positive

Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:33 pm
by Worm Guts
MajorDad wrote:
i feel bad the steriod users and steriod maskers get a 4 game suspension, but if a player is caught with cocaine, he just enters the NFL drug program and doesn't get any suspension.

Cocaine isn't a performance enhancing drug. It's illegal, but unlike steroids I wouldn't condsider using it to be cheating. I think you could argue that cocaine use is none of the NFL's business.

MajorDad wrote: so when are NFL players going to stop taking HGH? and when is anybody going to care?


Probably when they have a test for it.