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OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:27 am
by ReasonablySober
He's asked to be traded. What a **** baby.
You're Josh McDaniels. You're implementing a new offensive system and the young, talented QB you groomed is on the market and could be had on the cheap. Of course you're going to be interested. Jay Cutler needed to understand that. It's nothing personal, it's just business, and from a Broncos perspective it made sense.
But all this pouting from Cutler really makes him look awful.
But as I'm reading
this article, one name stuck out like a sore thumb and it all started to make sense.
Cook said that as an agent he was "totally in shock" that it has gotten so ugly.
Really, Bus? You're in shock? Right.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:45 am
by El Duderino
Cutler does seem like a drama queen. That said, coaches always need to proceed with caution when it comes to quality starting QB's, most of these guys have huge ego's and if you float their name out in the trade market, there is a good chance you'll have a pissed of quarterback on your hands.
I don't really care what ends up happening so long as the nobody in the NFC North ends up getting Cutler.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:55 am
by aaprigs311
#20 for Cutler? Cutler to Megatron.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:22 am
by Wade-A-Holic
I don't blame Cutler at all. He's a young franchise signal caller and McDaniel has treated him like he's John Kitna. If I were the Broncos owner, I'd put McDaniel in his place and can the guy before he even coaches a game. Cutler was and is the best thing that franchise had/has going for it. Meanwhile, McDaniel hasn't proven anything, other than an ability to alienate his most talented player (and for of all things, a chance at acquiring a mediocre system QB).
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:36 pm
by an_also
Cutler might be a drama queen but im on his side on this one. McDaniels walked into a new team as a first time head coach and tried to get rid of a potential superstar qb for pretty much no reason. They had the meeting but apparently McDaniels pretty much told cutler that he didnt regret doing it etc.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:47 pm
by an_also
El Duderino wrote:I don't really care what ends up happening so long as the nobody in the NFC North ends up getting Cutler.
This is really the most important part of this whole ordeal to be honest. With Cutler, the queens are the favorites in the NFC.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:56 pm
by ReasonablySober
Please.
Gene Wojcienchouski wrote:But the mere thought of a possible trade upset Cutler so much that he went into full waaaa-waaaa-waaaa mode, wailing like an infant. Why are they being so mean to me? That sort of thing.
"I'm upset," he told The Denver Post. "I mean, I'm really shocked at this point."
And this from Cutler's agent, James "Bus" Cook, who told The Associated Press, "Nobody's going to call the [New York] Giants and ask for Eli [Manning]. Nobody's calling the [Indianapolis] Colts asking about Peyton [Manning]. [Tom] Brady? Come on. So, why call Denver and ask about Jay? And if they do call, why not say, 'That's not for discussion. What else do you want?'"
NFL.com Video
Highlights of some of Jay Cutler's best moments in 2008.
Why call Denver and ask about Cutler? Because the Broncos haven't reached the playoffs since the 2005 season. Because Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20. Because new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels just happened to coach Cassel last season. And Cassel's team finished 11-5, including a 41-7 victory against Cutler's Broncos in October.
Nobody is calling the Giants and the Colts about the Manning brothers because the Manning brothers actually reach the postseason and have won Super Bowls. And here's guessing somebody called the Patriots asking whether Brady might be available.
Cook, more than anyone, should know that anything is possible in the NFL. Just ask Brett Favre, one of Cook's longtime clients.
And this was written before he went into a full blow bitch mode.Again, McDaniels wanted his guy. I won't blame him for that. Apparently the GM and owner were behind McDaniels or this never would have reached the point where trades were discussed.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:28 pm
by jakecronus8
Say what you want about the guy, he's a damn good qb with an absolute cannon. I really hope the Vikings really still love Tarvaris. Cutler would make them a SB contender IMO.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:44 pm
by Wade-A-Holic
Drugbust, I understand that new coaching/management regimes often mean new quarterbacks, but it doesn't take a professional scout or quarterback guru to see that Cutler is a hundred times more talented than Cassel. With that being the case, all I can think is, is McDaniels afraid that he's actually going to have to coach somebody and teach a system? I thought teaching quarterbacks was his thing. You'd think he'd want to teach the more talented one. Cutler might be overreacting, but he has a right to be pissed, and I'm pretty sure all he wants is to be told that he's the man and that he's wanted there, which McDaniels clearly hasn't been willing or able to do yet for some reason.
Edit: I also will admit that I have this gut feeling that he'll end up in the NFC North if traded, which partially contributes to me taking his side.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:11 pm
by ReasonablySober
Cutler asked to be traded before McDaniels was even hired. As soon as Shanahan and his QB coach were axed, Cutler wanted out. This is a guy with some serious prima-donna issues.
As for Cutler vs Cassell, I like Cutler's ability and talent more. But I can just as easily see why McDaniels would have preferred Cassell. Why all should. Why? We saw it play out last season. Favre was the gun slinger that Thompson and McCarthy inherited. Rodgers was the young kid they were able to build from the ground up. I'm sure they were fine, maybe anxious, to get Rodgers under center. He took less chances and operated the offense the way McCarthy wanted.
If I'm Josh McDaniels I take Cassell ten times out of ten. If I'm anyone else I'm probably taking Cutler.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:48 pm
by blueedwards
Maybe if Detroit make a trade for Cutler. We can later send Brohm to Denver for a pick.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:49 pm
by LUKE23
Lets just hope the Queens do not get him. Even if he is a baby, he's a damn good QB. They'd be a SB contender with him.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:04 pm
by blueedwards
If the queens get Cutler. I could see them make a play for Holt also then. Berrian and Holt be pretty deadly with Cutler and Peterson running around.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:44 pm
by blueedwards
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/03 ... ng_cu.html Report: Bears could be among Cutler's top 2 choices in trade scenario
It has reached the point where it's hard to believe the Jay Cutler saga will not be resolved until the quarterback receives a new contract.
From the Denver Broncos or from a team the Broncos trade him to because right now this storyline looks like it will be as everlasting as the Brett Favre mess a year ago.
Mike Klis of the Denver Post reports that Broncos owner Pat Bowlen has even come to terms with the fact that the Broncos could be moving forward without their quarterback, who reached a Pro Bowl after just his second full season starting in the league. This, after a face-to-face meeting at the team's headquarters in which no progress was made between Cutler and new head coach Josh McDaniels, who had hoped to acquire Matt Cassel in a trade last month.
"I'm very disappointed," Bowlen said Sunday. "I'm disappointed in the whole picture, not just disappointed that we might lose our star quarterback."
Klis speculates that the Bears could be among Cutler's top two choices along with Tennessee, which recently re-signed Kerry Collins. Klis seems to have been nailing accurate information throughout this process, and he hits the list of all clubs seemingly in the market for a passer, including the Bears' NFC North rivals in Detroit and Minnesota.
"If Cutler is dealt, his preferences figure to be the Tennessee Titans, who play in Nashville, or the Chicago Bears, his favorite childhood team who would seem to be in need of a quarterback upgrade. Other possibilities could be Cleveland, whose coach, Eric Mangini, was formerly McDaniels' colleague on Bill Belichick's staff in New England; Tampa Bay; Minnesota; Detroit and Arizona."
Bears general manager Jerry Angelo and coach Lovie Smith have just about fallen over themselves professing their confidence in Kyle Orton ever since Angelo's press conference two days after the season ended. Just remember, that confidence only goes so far. The Bears don't have enough to extend Orton with a longterm contract. Not now, any way. Whether the Bears would be serious players for Cutler if the Broncos seek to end the madness with a divorce, it's impossible to say right now. What can be said is any effort to land Cutler would be--by far--the boldest move Angelo has made in nearly eight years on the job.
We're still not convinced things can't be mended in Denver with, what else, some green stuff. Cash. Cutler put one of his homes up for sale. His folks did the same thing with a home they have in the area. Reports say Cutler was looking to sell for some time and putting a house on the market in the dead of winter isn't the brightest move from a realty standpoint. Maybe that is why he waited until now. And keep in mind, the Bears have seen a for sale sign go up on a house before. That was one of the final negotiating ploys by running back Cedric Benson in 2005 before his five-week holdout was resolved. For sale signs can come down just as easily as they go up.
Stay tuned.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:30 pm
by El Duderino
DrugBust wrote:Please.
Gene Wojcienchouski wrote:But the mere thought of a possible trade upset Cutler so much that he went into full waaaa-waaaa-waaaa mode, wailing like an infant. Why are they being so mean to me? That sort of thing.
"I'm upset," he told The Denver Post. "I mean, I'm really shocked at this point."
And this from Cutler's agent, James "Bus" Cook, who told The Associated Press, "Nobody's going to call the [New York] Giants and ask for Eli [Manning]. Nobody's calling the [Indianapolis] Colts asking about Peyton [Manning]. [Tom] Brady? Come on. So, why call Denver and ask about Jay? And if they do call, why not say, 'That's not for discussion. What else do you want?'"
NFL.com Video
Highlights of some of Jay Cutler's best moments in 2008.
Why call Denver and ask about Cutler? Because the Broncos haven't reached the playoffs since the 2005 season. Because Cutler's record as a starter is 17-20. Because new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels just happened to coach Cassel last season. And Cassel's team finished 11-5, including a 41-7 victory against Cutler's Broncos in October.
Nobody is calling the Giants and the Colts about the Manning brothers because the Manning brothers actually reach the postseason and have won Super Bowls. And here's guessing somebody called the Patriots asking whether Brady might be available.
Cook, more than anyone, should know that anything is possible in the NFL. Just ask Brett Favre, one of Cook's longtime clients.
And this was written before he went into a full blow bitch mode.Again, McDaniels wanted his guy. I won't blame him for that. Apparently the GM and owner were behind McDaniels or this never would have reached the point where trades were discussed.
That would be like almost solely blaming Rodgers for the Packers going 6-10 last year even though the Packers defense sucked. Shanahan put together some terrible defenses for those Denver teams and unless the offense could put up 30 plus points, the Broncos rarely had any chance to win. Cassel was in an offensive system loaded with weapons at QB and actually had a top 10 defense behind him, not a defense that gave up 375ypg and 28ppg. Cassel rarely had to win games on his own, he largely just had to not lose games because the Pats defense wasn't a complete sieve.
Cutler certainly isn't without flaws, but like a starting pitcher who can't control how many runs his offense scores behind him, a QB can't make his defense get stops if they have crappy talent. Give Cutler that Pats defense and put Cassel in Denver with their miserable defense last year and Cassel doesn't post close to a 11-5 record.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:32 pm
by MickeyDavis
I'm not a big Cutler fan but he's a huge upgrade over Orton.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:28 am
by aaprigs311

You look him in the eye and tell him Cutler is a major upgrade, MD. He looks so full of life. Maybe that photo was taken the morning after this infamous one..

Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:32 am
by aaprigs311
And yes, he grew the beard overnight. JD will put hair on your chest and face.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:47 am
by El Duderino
Nothing comes close in importance for an NFL team than having a good QB and that's hurt every team in the NFC North besides the Packers for quite awhile. Cutler going to any of our division foes would really suck.
Re: OT: The Cutler Situation
Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:55 am
by humanrefutation
Think of it from Cutler's perspective:
1. His head coach, QB coach, and O'coordinator are canned, and he's not happy about it. The firing of his Offensive Coordinator pisses him off especially considering that he was told it would not happen. He's pissed, but out of respect for the organization, he moves on.
2. McDaniels is hired. Reaches out to Cutler, then proceeds to have trade talks that involve trading for Cassel and trading him. Cutler's pissed off, but hears from the Broncos that they didn't initiate the talks and really weren't that interested.
3. Cutler meets with McDaniels, and McD admits that he pursued the deal and isn't willing to rule out trading anyone. Doesn't even attempt to reach out to Cutler or commit to him as the starting QB.
4. Cutler asks for a trade, and is told to F-Off by the Broncos.
5. Cutler meets with McD again, and McD basically sh**s on him.
Seriously, I'd be pissed if I was Cutler. The Broncos have handled this incredibly poorly, considering the fact that they don't have a viable replacement for Cutler anymore. I mean, I understand that McD wanted his own guy, but once you don't get him, you need to put the mind of your current Pro-Bowl QB at ease. Now you have lost a ton of leverage. You have a pissed off QB, and the league knows it, so you won't get nearly as much as you could've if you had traded him before. And, after all that, you're going to be left without a pro-bowl QB.
I mean all they had to do was tell Cutler "you're our guy, sorry for getting off on the wrong foot" and I'm sure all would be well in Broncoland.