Favreageddon Post game thoughts

[an_also]

Woodson said it best like he usually does...

“We tried to put pressure on them with blitzes,” Packers cornerback Charles Woodson said. “And he either pointed them out and set the protection the right way, or threw the ball quick and we weren’t able to get to him. We felt like we had enough things called -- and still we can’t get to him for whatever reason. Right now we can’t win the big game.”

[bigrich88]

At least our next game is against someone who we can beat up on again.

[eagle13]

IF we miss the playoffs - FIRE BOTH M3 & TT!

[an_also]

At least our next game is against someone who we can beat up on again.

I'm at a point that I dont even want to watch this team play against terrible teams.

[msiris]

Time to stop all the hate towards Brett. I thought he showed some class towards Jennings when he got hurt and in his post game comments. The guy just wants to play football. Who's the blame? I would like to know the real story. He can still play if he has a good team around him. Plug ARod on the Viking and he would do well also. Right now the Packers have been cheap and have drafted poorly. Pretty simple.

[an_also]

^^ Yeah, I'm on the same boat. Its time to move on. The Favre sage should be behind us right now. The Pack had their chance. Favre and the Vikes are just a better team. He took the high road after the game so I cant really say anything bad about Brett. Lets just move on and put all our energy for the Wild Card. This team has a lot of major issues that need to be corrected. I dont think Brett being our QB right now would be any different. The O-Line is a pathetic mess. Its obvious the defense needs more time to be good in the 3-4

[msiris]

^^ Yeah, I'm on the same boat. Its time to move on. The Favre sage should be behind us right now. The Pack had their chance. Favre and the Vikes are just a better team. He took the high road after the game so I cant really say anything bad about Brett. Lets just move on and put all our energy for the Wild Card. This team has a lot of major issues that need to be corrected. I dont think Brett being our QB right now would be any different. The O-Line is a pathetic mess. Its obvious the defense needs more time to be good in the 3-4

Agree with you 100%.

[marques-8]

I also agree 1000%-Quite simply the best team won. The packers were out played, out coached and out gmed!! It is still amazing what Favre can do-the man just loves the game and the challenges and competition.

[ReasonablySober]

**** that. Sorry, watching him dance around Lambeau field and celebrate like a mad-man was the final straw. He's dead to me.

I'll post what I did in the game thread.

• Field position battle clearly went their way.
• Stupid penalties handed them points
• Too many five steps drops and deep routes
• Still had a chance at the end, but Rodgers should have ran for it on 3rd down
• 51 yard FG in that wind? When we would still need another score despite having no TOs.

McCarthy could go tomorrow and I wouldn't care.

[LUKE23]

I think we have to sweep the next four games (at Bucs, Cowboys, Niners, at Lions) to make the playoffs. If we lose one of those and are 7-4 heading into the final five weeks (Ravens, at Bears, at Steelers, Seahawks, at Cardinals) we are in trouble, because we will have to win 3 of those 5 to get in. 9 wins is not getting a wild card this year.

[Flames24Rulz]

Agree that we need to win our next four.

That last stretch of games isn't as tough as I originally thought. The road game at Pittsburgh is almost a guaranteed loss but we should contend for a W in those other four games. We'll be fine as long as we don't have a hiccup against Dallas and/or San Fran.

[an_also]

Michael Silver from Yahoo sports on MM

It was an utterly regrettable day for McCarthy, whose team committed boneheaded penalties (the Packers have been whistled for an NFL-high 8.1 infractions per game) and looked lost on kickoff coverage. The coach also made the dubious decision to have Crosby attempt a 51-yard field goal with 5:43 remaining and the Vikes leading 31-26; the kick went wide right, giving Minnesota a short field on what became its clinching touchdown drive. (For more on McCarthy’s miserable day, see Two Things I Can’t Comprehend.)

2. How, after Harvin’s 77-yard kickoff return set up Minnesota’s first touchdown, the Packers continued to kick deep to him – even after the rookie (the league leader in return average coming into the game, by the way) followed with a 48-yard runback late in the third quarter. That latter return occurred immediately after Rodgers’ five-yard touchdown pass to tight end Spencer Havner(notes) had cut the Vikings’ lead to 24-20, and it was a complete momentum-killer. And it was maddening. McCarthy had wisely ordered Crosby to squib the ball on the team’s previous kickoff, and the ball was fielded by defensive end Brian Robison(notes), who fumbled it back to Green Bay after a hit from A.J. Hawk(notes). So why not go with the same strategy? After the game McCarthy said he had ordered Crosby to squib the ball but that the kicker had “slipped” and ended up kicking short to Harvin at the 14. Um, OK – I guess the Packers need to practice not slipping on their attempted squibs. And since I didn’t go to the Packers’ locker room postgame, I didn’t ask McCarthy about (and thus have no idea) what happened on the next Green Bay kickoff, after the Pack had cut the Minnesota lead to 31-26 with 10:26 remaining: Crosby again kicked deep to Harvin, who fielded the ball at the 12 and was stopped after a 14-yard return. While I’m a big McCarthy fan in general, I was also baffled by his decision to have Crosby attempt a 51-yard field goal with 5:43 remaining and Green Bay down 31-26. In my mind, the risk wasn’t worth it – after the miss Minnesota got the ball at its own 41, and Peterson immediately rambled 44 yards on a screen from Favre, putting the Vikes 15 yards away from the TD that put away the game. And while I acknowledge that going for it on fourth-and-8 from the 33 would have also presented a risk, the problem could have been addressed on the previous down: Instead of Rodgers going up top to Donald Driver(notes) into double-coverage, McCarthy could have called a higher-percentage play that might have either a) set up a more manageable fourth-down play or b) set up a less-difficult field goal attempt.

[smooth 'lil balla]

**** that. Sorry, watching him dance around Lambeau field and celebrate like a mad-man was the final straw. He's dead to me.

I'll post what I did in the game thread.

• Field position battle clearly went their way.
• Stupid penalties handed them points
• Too many five steps drops and deep routes
• Still had a chance at the end, but Rodgers should have ran for it on 3rd down
• 51 yard FG in that wind? When we would still need another score despite having no TOs.

McCarthy could go tomorrow and I wouldn't care.

As always on the packer board, i can't disagree with a word you say. I still like MM, but if he doesn't start learning from his play calling he needs to go. Need to run more, and stop all the deep routes. AR has to take a lot of blame for the sacks though as he needs to be stepping up much quicker and taking off if there's heat. This will slow down the rush.

Minnesota is the better team right now, and Favre was playing like a man possessed. If we can win the next 3, I still like our chances of getting a rematch in MN.

Defense is figuring it out (what a horrible game changing play by Jolly), Nelson will really improve return game when back, and Finley's return is huge. We need to get Spitz back in at Center and make a decision on the tackles.

Absolutely should have gone for it on 4th and 7. What was the point of going for 2 if McCarthy thought we had two scores left in us? Again, something he will learn from hopefully. He did learn to take the points early in the 2nd half, something he should have done in MN.

This team can still do it!

[thakfu]

why go for it? Why didnt we punt? I was screaming at the TV for us to punt there...

The Vikings were getting the ball back no matter what we did on that 4th and 8, I sure hoped we wouldnt have gone onside kick that early, atleast. But their getting the ball back no matter what, why not dictate where they start? Take a delay of game, back-up Kapanos and try to pin them deep? Worst case scenario is they start at the 20. If we make the field goal we'd still have to kick off to Harvin or squib and they would have gotten good field position either way. Dumb Dumb decision

[El Duderino]

Looking at the two rosters, how many places are the Packers better than the Vikings this year

QB= A draw maybe, but Favre has been fabulous
RB= Massive advantage Vikings
OL= Huge advantage Vikings
WR= With Harvin, it's close now
TE= Packers, but Queens are solid there

DL= Huge advantage Vikings
LB= Vikings
DB= Packers

ST= Huge for the Queens. Harvin is a monster and while Crosby has a big leg, Longwell is a more reliable kicker

[ReasonablySober]

Here's how I'd put it.

QB: GB
RB: MN
WR: GB
TE: GB
OL: MN
DL: MN
LB: Draw. Nothing about their backers stands out, same as ours. Matthews might be the tipping point.
DB: GB

ST: MN

Unfortunately NFL games are won in the trenches and they simply out class the Packers there. Add in the act they have a reliable FG kicker and the NFL's best returner and their offense doesn't have to worry about doing too much.

[trwi7]

That FG attempt was baffling to me and I didn't even know about the wind. Crosby came into the game yesterday 7-14 on FG attempts of 50+ yards, apparently the wind made it even more difficult so let's say there was a 40% chance of making that FG.

What are the chances of of converting a 4th and 8? Maybe 20%? I don't know, but if you do convert it, you keep the ball, get a 1st down and you're deep in Minnesota territory. If you don't, they get the ball with worse field position than they would've gotten on the missed FG.

Or you could punt and try to pin them back, stop them and get the ball back with hopefully good field position depending on if you force a three and out.

Those were the three options and McCarthy picked the worst one imo. Even if Crosby makes that FG, you're still down 2 with around 5:30 left with only one timeout. Minnesota then gets the kickoff and can either play conservative and run a couple minutes off the clock on three run plays with us only having one timeout or they could have two run plays and if they have a third down they could pass and still waste time.

The only two options should've been trying to keep possession by going for it and giving them no worse field position than they ended up with or punting it and trying to pin them back gaining field position and hoping for a stop.

[ReasonablySober]

Not gonna lie, even before the FG attempt I couldn't help mumbling to myself, "My god, we're being out-coached by Brad Childress"

[rilamann]

Haha DB I was thinking the same thing,I didn't even say it out loud to the people I was watching the game with,I was in disgusted disbelief.I'd never thought we'd see the day Brad Childress out coached anyone.

As for the FG attempt in the 4th i'd say it was a great call in that situation if we had a solid reliable kicker which we don't obviously.You make the kick there you cut it to 31-29,you kick off and hold the Vikes from scoring even if they get a couple first downs you get the ball back with 2-3 minutes left only needing a FG to win the game.

But with Crosby as your kicker and then the wind factor on top of that it was a flat out stupid decision.Even if Crobsy makes that 51 yarder to cut it to 31-29 and you get the ball back and drive into FG range late down 2,Crosby likely chokes in typical Crosby fashion on the game winner,even if it's a chip shot I don't trust that clown with a big FG.

And like that dude from yahoo sports said,put yourself into a manageable 4th and short on 3rd down instead of trying to force the ball into Driver.

I don't get how anyone could say MM is even a decent coach after this game,you could use this game as a textbook example of horrible coaching for the next 5 years.

And time to find a new Kicker Crosby sucks,the guy costed us 3 games and a 9-7 record last season and he's sucked so far this year.

[eagle13]

Here's how I'd put it.
QB: GB
RB: MN
WR: GB
TE: GB
OL: MN
DL: MN
LB: Draw. Nothing about their backers stands out, same as ours. Matthews might be the tipping point.
DB: GB
ST: MN

Revised for relative perspective

QB: GB+ (for this year)
RB: MN+++++
WR: GB+
TE: GB+
OL: MN+++++
DL: MN+++++
LB: Draw. Nothing about their backers stands out, same as ours. Matthews might be the tipping point.
DB: GB+++
ST: MN+++++

Unfortunately NFL games are won in the trenches and they simply out class the Packers there.

Yep TT hasn't figured that out yet.

Unfortunately NFL games are won in the trenches and they simply out class the Packers there. Add in the act they have a reliable FG kicker and the NFL's best returner and their offense doesn't have to worry about doing too much.

Don't know Vikes' GM but right now he seems >>>>> TT.