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3/23 Update: OT Rule For Playoffs Passes 

Post#1 » by Mags FTW » Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:02 am

Better than the current one, but still kind of dumb.
The change would be subtle and wouldn’t necessarily require that both teams get possession. Any touchdown would still result in a sudden-death result.

However, if the team that got the first possession of overtime scored only a field goal, the other team would get a possession. If the second team scored a touchdown, it would win. If it scored a field goal, the game would continue, whereupon it would revert to simple sudden death.

Also, if the first team to get the ball didn’t score but the second team did, the game would be over immediately.

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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#2 » by jakecronus8 » Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:18 am

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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#3 » by Newz » Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:22 am

jakecronus8 wrote:Better than nothing
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#4 » by DigitalFool » Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:41 am

I agree it is slightly better - but curious why they wouldn't propose this for all games, and not just playoffs?
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#5 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:45 am

Agreed, why have a different rule in the playoffs. With only 16 games each game is very important. Yeah there will be a few games that will run longer as a result but so what?
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#6 » by chuckleslove » Mon Mar 1, 2010 4:38 am

It isn't a great solution but a step in the right direction.

Also agree on the making it for the regular season too. It makes no sense to have special rules for playoffs compared to regular season games.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#7 » by Bucksfans1and2 » Mon Mar 1, 2010 3:04 pm

Big fan of the first to 6 proposal.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#8 » by aaprigs311 » Mon Mar 1, 2010 4:12 pm

I don't care for it. S*** or get off the pot. If they aren't going to change it all the way, then don't even mess around. I prefer to keep OT the way it is. It makes games far more suspenseful. If you can't stop the other team then you don't deserve to win is the way I see it. I guess I'm a "purist" and the minority here.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#9 » by Wiscfan92 » Mon Mar 1, 2010 7:21 pm

So if the first team doesn't score, then second team gets the ball and kicks a field goal its over? That's just like it is right now, so why make the change.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#10 » by jakecronus8 » Mon Mar 1, 2010 7:27 pm

aaprigs311 wrote:I prefer to keep OT the way it is. It makes the coin toss far more suspenseful.


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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#11 » by chuckleslove » Mon Mar 1, 2010 8:42 pm

Wiscfan92 wrote:So if the first team doesn't score, then second team gets the ball and kicks a field goal its over? That's just like it is right now, so why make the change.


Right now if the first team scores a field goal the game is over, the other team would at least have a chance to match that in the new proposed format, lessens the value of winning the coin toss a little bit.

In a case like the Packers game we still would have lost because 1) we got the ball first and 2) AZ scored a TD.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#12 » by DigitalFool » Mon Mar 1, 2010 9:04 pm

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In a case like the Packers game we still would have lost because 1) we got the ball first and 2) AZ scored a TD.


Actually in the Packers/Cardinals game, Packers getting the ball first was moot, the Cardinals scored a TD and that would end the game in either OT scenario.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#13 » by chuckleslove » Mon Mar 1, 2010 9:09 pm

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chuckleslove wrote:
In a case like the Packers game we still would have lost because 1) we got the ball first and 2) AZ scored a TD.


Actually in the Packers/Cardinals game, Packers getting the ball first was moot, the Cardinals scored a TD and that would end the game in either OT scenario.


I know it was moot, hence my #2 point, I should have put it as #1 but I was typing while eating :P
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#14 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Mar 2, 2010 3:45 am

Good point raised in Peter Kings column. If the first team scores a field goal, the second team never would punt, they would get 33% more downs to score. Here is the whole part of his column relating to OT, I've bolded the part I just referenced.

I know I've gotten this reputation as a fan (maybe haranguer is a better word) of overtime reform, but I just know that so much has changed since the NFL adopted a sudden-death system in 1974 that it deserves a second look. Ask yourself this question: If you could invent an overtime system for NFL games, what would you invent? Maybe you'd invent the exact same system that's on the books now -- with a coin flip deciding who gets the ball at the start of the extra period, and the first team to score wins. If you would vote for that system after considering what's happened to the game in the past 36 years, that's OK. But I'd be surprised if the keepers of the flame in NFL front offices would.

On Saturday, I reported that the NFL's rulemeisters, the seven-member Competition Committee, were close to bringing overtime reform to the floor for a vote at the NFL Meetings in Orlando in March. The committee will likely unanimously endorse a plan to be introduced for the 2010 playoffs, one that will ensure both teams will get at least one possession in overtime, unless one team scores a touchdown on the first possession of overtime. A touchdown (either on special teams, offense or defense) on the first possession ends the game. No touchdown means the game goes to sudden death on the second possession. There would still be a coin flip to start overtime, and the winner would still choose whether to take the ball or play defense on the first possession of the extra period.

The new overtime rule would have to be approved by 24 of the 32 NFL teams to pass. I still think it's very iffy, and if I had to guess today, I'd say it'd fail. But the leaders of the committee, Rich McKay and Jeff Fisher, will have a couple of weeks at the Competition Committee's annual meeting in Naples, Fla., before the league meetings to refine their case. I believe these will be the major selling points of the new rule:

1. The coin flip is playing too big a part in who wins and loses. Of the 445 overtime regular-season games played in the 36-year history of the system, only seven times has the team that won the flip chosen to kick off instead of receive. And over the past 16 seasons, the number of games won by the coin-flip winner has risen sharply. Between 1974 and 1993, 46.8 percent of overtime games were won by the coin-flip winner. Since 1994, it's 59.8 percent. It used to be that less than half the OT games were won by the lucky team to start the fifth quarter; now it's three out of five.

2. Overtime has become over-reliant on playing for field goals. In the first five years of overtime, NFL kickers were accurate on 61 percent of their attempts. In the last five years, the number is 82 percent. Except for the lousy performances of kickers in the playoffs this year, you can see why teams play for the field goal in overtime. Teams surely do: Since 1994, 73 percent of overtime games have been won by a field goal.

In the Saints' one-possession overtime victory over Minnesota this season, New Orleans won the toss, returned the ball to its 39, got two drive-enhancing penalties totaling 17 yards, struggled for 22 more yards, and won on a 40-yard Garrett Hartley field goal.

Think of it this way: When overtime was invented in the days of the Nixon Administration, the kickoff point was five yards to the kicking team's advantage, and a 40-yard field goal was a real challenge. Now the receiving team rarely starts at the 20, and a 40-yard field goal is probably an 85-percent guarantee.

3. The game has changed since the kickoff point was moved from the 35- to the 30-yard line in 1994. More balls returned instead of touchbacks, essentially. In overtime, teams are tired, mistakes are made. Instead of the offense taking over at the 20, now there's more of a chance to get a big edge on the opening kick and make a short drive for a field goal. One of the nearly two dozen players who sat in on the Competition Committee's meeting in Indianapolis to give input, Houston tackle Eric Winston told me over the weekend, "They're trying to prevent the 45-yard kick return, then a pass-interference call, then kneeling on the ball on third down, then kicking an easy field goal.''

4. The more-exposure-to-injury argument, really, is bogus. On average, the NFL plays 12 overtime games a year. That means a team has a 75 percent chance of playing an overtime game in an average year. And with more games now being won on the first possession of overtime (34 percent of games since 1994 have been won by the coin-flip winner on the first possession, compared to 25 percent in the earlier era), half of your team isn't going to take the field for a third of the OT games anyway.

Do you realize that Peyton Manning, Jeff Saturday and Reggie Wayne, the vets the Colts want to uber-protect from injury, have not played an overtime snap in the past 88 Indianapolis games? The Colt D had to play a series in the overtime playoff loss at San Diego in the 2008 season, but the offense hasn't played a fifth quarter since Dec. 26, 2004.

I'm not saying injuries don't happen in overtime; of course they do. But we're not talking about players playing three or four extra quarters a year; we're talking, on average a couple of extra series -- and in some cases, like the Colts', no offensive overtime snaps since Donald Brown was in high school.

I always hear players don't want to change the rule. I talked with three who attended the meeting in Indianapolis, and none seemed bothered by the change that could extend overtime a few plays. "I'm super in favor of it,'' Winston said. "I'd like to see the game not be so dependent on the coin flip.''

I've thought about this proposal a lot over the weekend. For a long time, I've wanted a strict two-possession system -- or at least one, as in the January Green Bay-Arizona playoff game, with the defense touching the ball and winning the game on the first possession. I still think it would be better to guarantee each side a shot at the ball, but I can live with this. It's a nod to the teams worried about exposure to injury; now a team can win on the first possession by playing aggressively for the touchdown. It minimizes the reliance on field goals.

But there's one unintended consequence that could complicate approval. (Then again, who knows? Maybe the intrigue, and the desperation, will help sell the system.) If Team A scores a field goal on the first possession, Team B would never punt, thus increasing its chance to score and extend the game. As the football analyst Brian Burke wrote in an email this weekend: "The second team with possession will have 33 percent more downs available to them on every series, without being concerned about the clock, and scoring becomes much more likely.'' (You can read his full explanation, with a few mathematical formulas that fly right over my Ohio University head, at advancednflstats.com.)

More intrigue, more desperate fourth-down conversion attempts. Good! Sounds like an added plus to me.

Could the game still be a field-goal derby? Sure. But this proposal would motivate teams to score touchdowns instead of settling for field goals. There'd be some drama now, too, with the coin flip, and some teams I'm sure would choose to defer so they'd know how many points they have to score to either win or extend the game.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#15 » by jerrod » Tue Mar 2, 2010 8:37 pm

it's true that the team would an extra down each time, but is that a big problem?

i like the first to 6 idea.

the whole extra injury risk argument seems strange to me, wasn't the nfl considering adding games to the season recently?
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Post#16 » by LUKE23 » Tue Mar 2, 2010 8:40 pm

The rule should obviously be the same for regular season and the playoffs. Playoffs are an extension of the regular season with the same rules, and that should apply to OT as well.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#17 » by chuckleslove » Tue Mar 2, 2010 8:41 pm

jerrod wrote:it's true that the team would an extra down each time, but is that a big problem?

i like the first to 6 idea.

the whole extra injury risk argument seems strange to me, wasn't the nfl considering adding games to the season recently?


I think they are still considering adding 1-2 games to the regular season schedule. The difference is though you will get more risk of injury at the gain of more revenue. Overtime doesn't bring in any additional revenue.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#18 » by El Duderino » Tue Mar 2, 2010 8:53 pm

My idea that i thought of awhile ago is if your team wins the coin toss and you want the ball, there is no kick off. Instead you take over at your 15 yard line. That way,you have to move the ball at least 50 yards to get to the 35 and line up for a 52 yard FG. Plus, if you get stopped on a three and out, the defensive team then gets rewarded by really good field position.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#19 » by chuckleslove » Tue Mar 2, 2010 10:05 pm

El Duderino wrote:My idea that i thought of awhile ago is if your team wins the coin toss and you want the ball, there is no kick off. Instead you take over at your 15 yard line. That way,you have to move the ball at least 50 yards to get to the 35 and line up for a 52 yard FG. Plus, if you get stopped on a three and out, the defensive team then gets rewarded by really good field position.



That is a very interesting idea. It would mean if a team was a dominant defense, like the Ravens when they won the super bowl, they would actually be encouraged to start on defense and play to their strength. I kind of like that proposal.

On the downside it eliminates special teams partially which is also a part of the game, more so for some teams than others, like when the Bears had Devin Hester returning kicks.
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Re: Overtime Rule Change Proposal 

Post#20 » by Wade-A-Holic » Tue Mar 2, 2010 10:11 pm

As a Packers fan, I love the idea of completely marginalizing special teams in overtime, but as a football fan, no.

I don't claim to have a blanket solution, but one thing I believe the NFL should do is adopt the wider hash marks that they have in college football to make field goal kicking more difficult.

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