Slamm Goodbody wrote:So grab a beer, smoke a joint, take a valium, whatever it is you need to do and chill the fu'k out.
While not the best advice, slamm may make a good doctor for some of you.
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Slamm Goodbody wrote:Remember a couple of years ago when we had that sh'tty start, Jeter had that terrible first half, and we still managed to win the division? The Yankees will go on a huge run in the summer, like they always do, and will win the division.
cmaff051 wrote: Why is Eye Chart starting at 1B everday instead of Phelps. Why do many of his relievers routinely pitch 80-90 innings a year while his starters leave after 85 pitches. Why does Joe put the worst hitter in our lineup, Melky Cabrera, at the leadoff spot. Why?
34Celtic wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Yes, because that is just what we need to do, score more runs.
And our starters leave after 85 innings because they suck. We have had one competent pitcher who has not been injured this year, Pettitte.
If you're going to blame Torre for all the injuries, fine go ahead. But don't say he should be fired for them.
Who do you want to hit leadoff? Jeter, Abreu second and Matsui 3rd? Ok fine, give alternatives to what you are saying, dont just throw stuff out there.
What would you do differently instead of bashing him. He doesn't have a choice. The only guys who haven't been hurt this year are Pettitte, the bullpen, Arod, Abreu, Cano, Melky, The first base tandem, and Ryan Freeking Thompson. Thats half our roster right there.
cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
How do you know that we'll win the division? One of these days we are going to get off to such a slow start that we won't be able to make up enough ground. Whether it will happen this year is yet to be seen. However, you can't just keep saying "don't worry about April, we'll make a run and win the division anyway". Because of these years it's not going to happen.
And people have been calling for Joe's firing a few years ago. The problem with Joe Torre is that he doesn't have the foggiest clue how to manage a bullpen. He plays too many favorites. Why is Eye Chart starting at 1B everday instead of Phelps. Why do many of his relievers routinely pitch 80-90 innings a year while his starters leave after 85 pitches. Why does Joe put the worst hitter in our lineup, Melky Cabrera, at the leadoff spot. Why?
People have been calling for his head since the 2004 debacle. This isn't anything knew. Joe's flaws have been known for a few years now, and looky here, they reared their ugly head against this year. This burnout of the bullpen could have been avoided by competent bullpen management.
Slamm Goodbody wrote:The point is that it's not even the end of April and you guys think the sky is falling here.
cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I never said or implied the sky was falling. Nice try though. I know that we'll probably make the playoffs once again, but I want Torre gone. He needs to go. It has nothing to do with us being at 8-11. At the end of last year, I wanted him gone.
After 11 years of the same manager, we need change. Change for the sake of change. We haven't won a World Series since 2000, things need to change and soon.
Slamm Goodbody wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Change for the sake of change is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Why wasn't Bobby Cox fired last year? The Braves didn't make the playoffs last year, and they haven't even won a World Series since 1995! They didn't fire him because the franchise continues to be a winner every season under his stewardship, and while I know that being a Yankee fan means expecting a World Series ring every year, you have to understand that it doesn't always work that way. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Torre's gotten us to the playoffs so many times that he warrants a full season to try again. Why screw with what has been working?
If you don't like Joe Torre, that's totally understandable. He has faults, just like every manager. But if he was going to be fired, then he should have been fired at the end of last year. He wasn't. Now you wait until his contract is finished at the end of the season, see how he performed, and assess whether or not we should change direction. You don't fire a manager in the middle of April unless he truly has done something to warrant it.
cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Sake for the sake of change is not stupid. Especially when you have 3 first ballot hall of famers on your roster and they will only be in their primes for so long. We haven't won a World Series in 6 years... we need to stop living in the past. There needs to be some changes, and those changes start with the manager.
We aren't the Atlanta Braves. We are the New York Yankees. We run things differently here. Winning the division each year isn't good enough, especially when we got one of the most talented core of batters in the history of baseball, the most dominant closer of all time, and the history payroll in the history of baseball. There are no excuses here like there is in Atlanta. We don't have to cut payroll to survive. We don't struggle to attract fans to our stadium. We fill up our stadium for almost every single one of our home games. Once again, we are not the Atlanta Braves.
Fire him now, fire him at the end of the season... whatever. You are just arguing semantics and are being contrarian for the sake of it.
Slamm Goodbody wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
You should look up the meaning of the words semantics and contrarian before you try to accuse me of doing things that I am not doing.
This isn't the NBA where half the teams in the league make it to the playoffs. Making the playoffs is a significant achievement. But to assume that the Braves were ever pleased with "just" making the playoffs is absurd. The Braves are a quality franchise with a history of excellence. If you're in the playoffs, you want to make the World Series. Just because the Braves don't throw money around like the Yankees do doesn't make them any less competitive of a franchise or their goals any less lofty. My Bobby Cox comparison remains valid.
This amazing core of hitters we have doesn't mean anything if they can't do anything but swing a bat. Defense and pitching win championships, and we haven't had either in quite a while. We all want a World Series ring, but it was Cashman's fault that he threw money around since the Giambi signing in the wrong places. And in case you haven't noticed, we've been cutting payroll and getting rid of these big contracts in an effort to rebuild that staff. You don't just expect a World Series ring every year out of entitlement because you wear pinstripes.
cmaff051 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
I expect a World Series every year. I guess that makes me spoiled. Whatever. If you just expect to win the division every year and then the season is fine and dandy, then you turn into the Atlanta Braves. We don't want to be like the Atlanta Braves. We have a significant monetary advantage over every team in this league by far. Our expectations should be high. Our players expectations are high. Jeter has gone on the record and has said that the season is a failure if the Yankees don't win a World Series. That's just the way it is.
And please don't lecture me on how a Yankee fan should think. Thanks.
so if We had Girardi or Mattingly managing the team right now you would want them fired? Is that what you're saying?