Miami Dolphins Thread

[OtW]

Was at the game yesterday. I don't even ant to talk about how cursed this franchise is. Are we actually going to tank this year and continue to rebuild or are we going to try to barely get into the play offs? I don't want to be a middle-of-the-pack team, not bad enough to make the lottery, but bad enough to miss the play offs.

Tannehill was making some good passes that even Joel Anthony would have caught. 11/27 completed is not an accurate reflection of his statline. Not his fault the receivers cannot catch. The entire stadium grumbled, and at one point, were booing when a pass was dropped.

Oh yeah, that touchdown that was not counted for us due to some flags was complete bull. Momentum shift.

Oh yeah, that

[Pimpwerx]

I was at the game last night. The only chance we got to sing the fight song was at the end of the 3rd. Not because of a TD though.

Bess should be our #1 or #2 WR while Hartline heals. Instead, Philbin is keeping him in the slot and starting two guys who can't get separation or catch the damn ball. I was yelling so loud at Naanee, from the first dropped pass.

Fasano was very disappointing. I hope it's just rust, because he was very reliable last season. No excuse for those drops, because it wasn't even raining.

I said it before and I'll say it again...Philbin needs to start Vontae Davis. There is no excuse for that bum Marshall starting ahead of him, NONE. Marshall couldn't cover his own shadow, whereas Tae was one of our best cover guys last season. Hell, the last 2 seasons. I was fussing all during the first half at how Philbin was allowing our defense to be compromised by playing that turd so long. There was a deep pass by ATL that should easily have been picked off because it was underthrown into double-coverage. I can forgive the safety for watching the man, since he'd already blown by Marshall, but Marshall didn't even make the play on the ball despite trailing his man. Unforgivable.

This season is gonna suck hard. I'm really not happy about our chances. PEACE.

[LoveMyHeat]

I can't wait to see the quality players Ireland will draft in the 2nd round next year!

[heat4life]

Well Vontae Davis was traded to the Colts for a 2nd round pick and conditional 6th next draft. I am a bit confused considering Davis is only 24 years old, talented at an important position in the new NFL. Unless Miami coaches know something about Davis the rest of us don't, I don't get this.

We are officially in rebuilt mode if you ask me. I would feel better if our track record drafting in the 2nd round was better (Philip Merling, Chad Henne, Pat White, Sean Smith, Donald Thomas, Koa Misi). Not one star from that group.

[This IsMy House]

If we are going to continue clearing house shouldnt Ireland be the next to go? I hope Philbin doesnt actually trust this fool, the guy is a moron. Let go 2 good wide receivers a position Miami needs as much help in as it can possibly get. Its embarrassing watching our WR's go out there. Finally got a good QB, but he literally has NO ONE to pass to.

[Vertical Limit]

Ireland is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). If you're trading away Brandon Marshall, Vontae Davis, Bush, Dansby (yes Bush and Dansby are next), you better be getting established players in return.

Getting nothing but draft picks for them is USELESS. Especially since the one drafting is named Jeff Ireland.

We blew it with the Marshall trade and we blew it now. With Marshall we got two third round picks, and got Egnew for him, and he may not even make the roster because the guy **** sucks. So basically we traded Marshall for Egnew. Wonderful.

With Vontae Davis, we could have traded him for James Jones of Green Bay, or at least ask for Reggie Wayne and a third round pick. Nope, just a second round pick, so we didn't come out with any established players AGAIN.

**** garbage, I can't believe we still have Ireland on this team.

Can't wait to see what **** he gets for Bush and Dansby.

[Noodle Arm]

Do you think every mediocre college lineman (offensive and defensive) is drooling at the fact the Dolphins might draft them in the 2nd round?

[Pimpwerx]

WTF? We traded Davis for a 2nd and 6th? That's as bad as the Marshall trade. Didn't I just go off on a rant about how Tae should be starting ahead of that bum Marshall? OMG! Holy ****! This can't be happening. I was willing to give Ireland the benefit of the doubt, but this is the last straw. Fire Ireland. FIRELAND! I'm through with this idiot. Him and Steven Ross have killed the team I love. WTF? WHAT THE ****?!? PEACE.

[DefenseWins]

Good grief, both of these teams just trading everyone for crap and rebuilding.

THANK GOD FOR THE HEAT. Not gonna be a fun year to be a Dolphins fan, like every year it seems... sigh....

[This IsMy House]

The Mayor of Miami needs to make a law that Pat Riley becomes the GM for the Dolphins and Marlins for the sake of the city.

[Vertical Limit]

@ your sig. Thank god I'm board banned don't have to read that GB ****.

[This IsMy House]

:lol: @ your sig. Thank god I'm board banned don't have to read that GB ****.

Some of the people are there say things that truly give me a headache.

[heat4life]

After sleeping on it, let me give you guys a different perspective on this Vontae trade.

Taking in to consideration Vontae Davis immaturity and out of shape history, we can all agree at least that he is just not the type of player you would want on your young roster polluting the rest of the team. The talent is amazing, hence why he was drafted in the 1st round, but lets not forget that he dropped to the mid 20's because of these same issues we are discussing 3 years later. Yes, he is 24 years old, but some players (ahem.. Michael Beasley) are just not built to "get it".

Maybe Philbin and his staff recognized this possibility and got something for Vontae while his trade value was at his highest. Think about it; another year of Vontae's antics - and it was heading that way - would have lowered his trade value. Then next year you have a soon to expire "bad apple" player to trade for whatever you can get, let go as a free agent for nothing or pay him a big salary even though he has a questionable attitude. See where this is going?

Could it be that Miami actually traded a player at his highest value for the first time ever? Could it be that Philbin has brought the Green Bay and New England mentality - one we are not used to here in Miami and can't recognize - to sell the "replaceable" high? Belichick did the same thing a few years ago with Richard Seymour. People questioned it but he was Belichick, the genius. Didn't Green bay got something for a broken Brett Favre while he had some value even though it was not the most popular of moves?

Could it be that Philbin has finally brought a culture to the Miami Dolphins that you either respect or get out?
We have lacked that for years. You build your culture with a core of players and leaders - which we do not have yet - then you can add pieces around that same core, even controversial pieces. With a strong core of leaders, your locker room is strong and no Chad Johnson's or Vontae Davis' can ruin it. But when your controversial players are some of your locker room leaders?

At the end, I am not ready to call this a "crap" move or even question if Philbin knows what he is doing (Dave Hyde). I think this is something to give it some time. We are a sensitive and a "panicky" fan base because of the years we have endured. But everyone needs an opportunity to show their plan, and that includes Philbin.
Now, whether Jeff Ireland is the right guy to use the acquired assets, that is an argument for another day.

Yes winning is important, but it is absurd to thin we were going to get out of all these years of being a horrible franchise in just one season. We need to take the hits and plan for the long term. Think New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay. I know it is the same song Saban and Parcell sang to us, but we can judge Philbin before even his first season as a leader begins.

Just a different perspective for Dolfans.

[Heat3]

Philbin has as much say in personnel moves as Sparano did. Ireland runs the show and is Philbin's boss. There is no change in culture. Just a continuation of the same regime.

Next draft we'll be in a position to draft a top tier QB...but unfortunately we spent that pick this draft on a reach

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I've given up on the Dolphins for now. I have no 2nd team, I'm just not going to be watching much NFL. Like, if its on I'll root for the Phins, but they're in about as bad a shape as the Knicks under Dolan imo.

[Pimpwerx]

After sleeping on it, let me give you guys a different perspective on this Vontae trade.

Taking in to consideration Vontae Davis immaturity and out of shape history, we can all agree at least that he is just not the type of player you would want on your young roster polluting the rest of the team. The talent is amazing, hence why he was drafted in the 1st round, but lets not forget that he dropped to the mid 20's because of these same issues we are discussing 3 years later. Yes, he is 24 years old, but some players (ahem.. Michael Beasley) are just not built to "get it".

Maybe Philbin and his staff recognized this possibility and got something for Vontae while his trade value was at his highest. Think about it; another year of Vontae's antics - and it was heading that way - would have lowered his trade value. Then next year you have a soon to expire "bad apple" player to trade for whatever you can get, let go as a free agent for nothing or pay him a big salary even though he has a questionable attitude. See where this is going?

Could it be that Miami actually traded a player at his highest value for the first time ever? Could it be that Philbin has brought the Green Bay and New England mentality - one we are not used to here in Miami and can't recognize - to sell the "replaceable" high? Belichick did the same thing a few years ago with Richard Seymour. People questioned it but he was Belichick, the genius. Didn't Green bay got something for a broken Brett Favre while he had some value even though it was not the most popular of moves?

Could it be that Philbin has finally brought a culture to the Miami Dolphins that you either respect or get out?
We have lacked that for years. You build your culture with a core of players and leaders - which we do not have yet - then you can add pieces around that same core, even controversial pieces. With a strong core of leaders, your locker room is strong and no Chad Johnson's or Vontae Davis' can ruin it. But when your controversial players are some of your locker room leaders?

At the end, I am not ready to call this a "crap" move or even question if Philbin knows what he is doing (Dave Hyde). I think this is something to give it some time. We are a sensitive and a "panicky" fan base because of the years we have endured. But everyone needs an opportunity to show their plan, and that includes Philbin.
Now, whether Jeff Ireland is the right guy to use the acquired assets, that is an argument for another day.

Yes winning is important, but it is absurd to thin we were going to get out of all these years of being a horrible franchise in just one season. We need to take the hits and plan for the long term. Think New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay. I know it is the same song Saban and Parcell sang to us, but we can judge Philbin before even his first season as a leader begins.

Just a different perspective for Dolfans.

Vontae was drafted with a first, and as Sedano keeps pointing out on Twitter, we passed on Hakeem Nicks for Tae. We did not get good value, unless you consider 50 cents on the dollar high value. When Tae goes somewhere and makes the Pro Bowl, we're gonna be kicking ourselves.

GB and NE making those kinds of moves are different because they had depth at QB and OL respectively. Dumping Seymour and Favre didn't lose them anything because there were replacements. We dump an all-pro WR after drafting a QB with no depth at WR, and we just dumped a future all-pro CB with no depth in our secondary.

Every team has knuckleheads. Jimmy Johnson corralled knuckleheads to two Superbowls, and then Spitzer rode that same team of knuckleheads to another one after him. Bellicheat has reformed some problem players to his system, like Randy Moss. Bill Parcels kept the world from knowing how big a d-bag Larence Taylor was, while riding him to a SB. The great coaches manage teams, they don't just dismantle them.

A rookie coach shouldn't have this much personnel control. WTF does Philbin know about managing egos? The team's leaders already disagreed with his decision on Chad, and I'm sure they disagree with how he dumped Tae. They went to him to ask him for their help in managing these egos, and this is what he does? I'm not impressed at all. I'm pissed, to be exact.

Blowing up a team that was supposed to be rebuilding is not how you instill confidence. Doing it with a first-time head coach, and a GM who is responsible for destroying the team, to the point of rebuilding, is not confidence-inducing. Great...so we're blowing it all up. We have the great unknown coaching and Jeff Ireland is supposed to parlay those picks into something useful? FML. The Phins are **** ruined.

I have no faith at all this will work, because these last two moves alone are idiotic. You can dump Chad and Tae in the offseason and at least give your rookie QB a fighting chance, while not getting blown out every weekend. There's no depth at the positions we're cutting. Instead of skimming from the bottom, we're skimming from the top. We're letting go of the best talent at those positions, and why? Attitude problems? Great coaches are rolling in their graves laughing at how stupid that sounds. JJ's motto was always that you find a way to play your best players. Then again, Hard Knocks has shown Philbin to be mealy-mouthed enough that he can't possibly control any of these players. So let's just cut them.

As someone else pointed out, Dansby and Bush might well be next. Why the **** not? The team is gonna suck anyway, right? Just blow it all up. Well...I'm about to put the rest of my tickets on StubHub, but I doubt they fetch anything in return. Who the hell wants to go watch this train wreck of a season? I wish there was a way to trade Phins tix for Heat tix, because at least that franchise never gave me 20 years of clueless management. PEACE.

[Vertical Limit]

Well Dolphins are reportedly trying to trade for a star receiver. Hope that means Mike Wallace.

[heatwillbeback]

the way I see it, having a coach who has the mantra of no nonsense and "doing it the right way" is cool and all, but the NFL is a talent driven league, and a head coach needs to be able to work with talented guys that might not approach everything the same as he does

Since he came, we have traded our top talents (imo) on offense and defense and cutting another talented player. This doesnt seem like a head coach to me, but a guy all about appearances and his mantra.

we are trading our talented players for picks with a gm who cant draft. Not good. With Dansby speaking out, instead of working with him, watch him be shipped out next.

[heatwillbeback]

Well Dolphins are reportedly trying to trade for a star receiver. Hope that means Mike Wallace.

I would give up the second we just got from Indy for him, but then we have to pay him. Meaning we could have to most likely clear space for this year.

[heatwillbeback]

and if this preseason couldnt get any worse, Jake Long just injured his knee in practice. Not known if its serious.