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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#161 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:47 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:I think Wayne’s is solid and Hughes was on his way to being pretty good before the injury. Peterson is definitely an upgrade but to a position we’re already pretty good at.


Im just not sold on Waynes yet. It seems like whenever he show some promise, he can never be consistent about it. I thought Hughes showed some promise but he is gone for the year. I think if we could get another stud DB, we could be looking at the best defense in football.


Hughes is back next year though and I would say that’s probably where my main concern lies. Is Peterson’s contract going push somebody else out, and who, while we’ll still have Waynes and Hughes on the roster? I agree it would be a nice trade to improve our team this season, but is it the prioritization in the future?


Im sure if we resign Barr it would cost us similar to what we would be on the books for Peterson. Peterson is getting paid 11/11/12 for this year and the next 2 years. We are paying Barr 12 this year. So really we would just be replacing Barr's contract with Peterson's. When it comes to CB depth, Im cool with just letting Waynes, Hughes figure it out for who is best covering the slot.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#162 » by Worm Guts » Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:58 pm

Are planning on resigning Barr? Is it a choice between him and Richardson?
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Post#163 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:30 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Are planning on resigning Barr? Is it a choice between him and Richardson?


If the choice was between 10-12 mil for the next couple years going to Barr, Richardson or Peterson, Im choosing Peterson all day everyday.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#164 » by Worm Guts » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:39 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:Are planning on resigning Barr? Is it a choice between him and Richardson?


If the choice was between 10-12 mil for the next couple years going to Barr, Richardson or Peterson, Im choosing Peterson all day everyday.


Part of the reason I’m not sure about that is because we do actually have options at corner. Moving Barr or Richardson leaves a hole, and possibly a loss of draft picks from the trade to fill them or help out on the O-line.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#165 » by Duke4life831 » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:43 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:Are planning on resigning Barr? Is it a choice between him and Richardson?


If the choice was between 10-12 mil for the next couple years going to Barr, Richardson or Peterson, Im choosing Peterson all day everyday.


Part of the reason I’m not sure about that is because we do actually have options at corner. Moving Barr or Richardson leaves a hole, and possibly a loss of draft picks from the trade to fill them or help out on the O-line.


Ya that is true. I wouldnt be heart broken over losing either one of those guys. But ya losing draft picks that could be spent on OL is a blow for sure.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#166 » by hermes » Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:49 pm

the radio says a speculative deal for peterson could be a 1st and 3rd rounder this year and waynes
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#167 » by Worm Guts » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:19 am

Griffen is resuming team activities tomorrow.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#168 » by Jedzz » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:36 am

Worm Guts wrote:Griffen is resuming team activities tomorrow.


Hope he's all good now, whatever it was all about.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#169 » by Jedzz » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:41 am

Worm Guts wrote:I don’t know how I feel about that. We’ve already invested so much in the CB position and we’re already squeezed financially.


Good point and Hughes looked pretty good right away. He should still be hungry when he gets back.

Maybe depends on how the team feels about the players behind Barr. And any plans to spend assets for Oline development.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#170 » by hermes » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:22 pm

nice to see griffen back with the team, hopefully he got the help he needed/needs and is better - and doesn't have any more issues
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#171 » by Jedzz » Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:10 am

With the Raiders blowing things up and seemingly on a hunt for a brand new team in the next draft, I was thinking about Oline for this year.

Wonder if they have any depth on Oline available that could be had for a mid or later round pick. Given the recent article claiming everyone is available. https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/41348/Everyone-Believed-To-Be-Available-In-OaklandThey had decent line talent there for a while. Not sure what it looks like this year. The team is 1-5 under Gruden.

Donald Penn is long in the tooth but an experienced tackle that got put on IR a month ago for a groin issue. They had drafted a first round guy to replace him so it probably didn't take much to IR him but I haven't heard how serious it was. Wonder if he's healthy enough yet and nfl rules wise able to be traded? It seems that Vikings position group will be revolving all season at this pace. If not Penn, maybe another.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#172 » by Duke4life831 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:38 pm

hermes wrote:the radio says a speculative deal for peterson could be a 1st and 3rd rounder this year and waynes


I would do that in a heartbeat.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#173 » by Jedzz » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:57 pm

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hermes wrote:the radio says a speculative deal for peterson could be a 1st and 3rd rounder this year and waynes


I would do that in a heartbeat.


Im not sure I would. Not both a 1st and 3rd plus Waynes. Waynes is young and usable still now and could yet become great at some point. If you want to hand them Waynes who they can use now plus a first well go ahead. But what it really maybe should be is Waynes plus a single 2nd round pick. The 2nd round pick makes up the difference between him and Peterson now. Remember this is a player trying to leave, not us reaching out to them out of the blue to try and buy him from his team and their happy place. Waynes is a first rounder himself, pick 11. Corners can take a few years to blossom. It's a hard position to play. Rhodes was a walking bag of flaws at first. He worked into who he's become with hard work and experience.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#174 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:04 pm

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hermes wrote:the radio says a speculative deal for peterson could be a 1st and 3rd rounder this year and waynes


I would do that in a heartbeat.


Im not sure I would. Not both a 1st and 3rd plus Waynes. Waynes is young and usable still now and could yet become great at some point. If you want to hand them Waynes who they can use now plus a first well go ahead. But what it really maybe should be is Waynes plus a single 2nd round pick. The 2nd round pick makes up the difference between him and Peterson now. Remember this is a player trying to leave, not us reaching out to them out of the blue to try and buy him from his team and their happy place. Waynes is a first rounder himself, pick 11. Corners can take a few years to blossom. It's a hard position to play. Rhodes was a walking bag of flaws at first. He worked into who he's become with hard work and experience.


All great points. I guess I do have to remember it took Rhodes about 4 years to really get settled. I remember having a short temper with him, that dude used to get picked on constantly and seemed like he couldnt guard anyone without holding them. So ya Im probably thinking way too short term on this, and wouldnt want to lose a 1st and 3rd round pick on potential OL. I guess Im just caught up in the name and the potential of seeing Rhodes on one side and Peterson on the other. I cant imagine how good Rhodes would look if he was on the #2 wide out all game, those guys wouldnt be able to do anything.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#175 » by Sedale Threatt » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:32 pm

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hermes wrote:the radio says a speculative deal for peterson could be a 1st and 3rd rounder this year and waynes


I would do that in a heartbeat.


Im not sure I would. Not both a 1st and 3rd plus Waynes. Waynes is young and usable still now and could yet become great at some point. If you want to hand them Waynes who they can use now plus a first well go ahead. But what it really maybe should be is Waynes plus a single 2nd round pick. The 2nd round pick makes up the difference between him and Peterson now. Remember this is a player trying to leave, not us reaching out to them out of the blue to try and buy him from his team and their happy place. Waynes is a first rounder himself, pick 11. Corners can take a few years to blossom. It's a hard position to play. Rhodes was a walking bag of flaws at first. He worked into who he's become with hard work and experience.


Separate of the debate of whether the overall package is worth it, but I feel 100 percent confident saying that Waynes will never be remotely close to Peterson's level. We're talking about a player who was All-Pro as a rookie, hasn't missed a Pro Bowl since he's been in the NFL and is still in his prime. Again, that's a big price to pay, so I don't disagree with your larger point. But if Waynes had any greatness in him -- and he's at least gotten to the point where he's solid -- we'd have already seen it by now.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#176 » by Duke4life831 » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:40 pm

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I would do that in a heartbeat.


Im not sure I would. Not both a 1st and 3rd plus Waynes. Waynes is young and usable still now and could yet become great at some point. If you want to hand them Waynes who they can use now plus a first well go ahead. But what it really maybe should be is Waynes plus a single 2nd round pick. The 2nd round pick makes up the difference between him and Peterson now. Remember this is a player trying to leave, not us reaching out to them out of the blue to try and buy him from his team and their happy place. Waynes is a first rounder himself, pick 11. Corners can take a few years to blossom. It's a hard position to play. Rhodes was a walking bag of flaws at first. He worked into who he's become with hard work and experience.


Separate of the debate of whether the overall package is worth it, but I feel 100 percent confident saying that Waynes will never be remotely close to Peterson's level. We're talking about a player who was All-Pro as a rookie, hasn't missed a Pro Bowl since he's been in the NFL and is still in his prime. Again, that's a big price to pay, so I don't disagree with your larger point. But if Waynes had any greatness in him -- and he's at least gotten to the point where he's solid -- we'd have already seen it by now.


My biggest issue with Waynes is how inconsistent he is. It's year 4 and he can have 1 game where I go, okay now I see why he was taken so high in the 1st round. Then the very next week I can see the opposing QB picking on him every play and he cant cover to save his life and I just think how the hell is this guy still getting playing time. So ya last week he was great, but I just have little faith that it will carry over to this week.

And ya Peterson is just on a different level. And ya its not just 1 upgrade, its upgrading Waynes with Peterson, but then that also upgrades Rhodes because he will then be taking on #2s and he will be even more effective.

I personally want the trade to happen, but ya I guess long term I wont mind staying put and keeping the picks.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#177 » by Sedale Threatt » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:54 pm

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Im not sure I would. Not both a 1st and 3rd plus Waynes. Waynes is young and usable still now and could yet become great at some point. If you want to hand them Waynes who they can use now plus a first well go ahead. But what it really maybe should be is Waynes plus a single 2nd round pick. The 2nd round pick makes up the difference between him and Peterson now. Remember this is a player trying to leave, not us reaching out to them out of the blue to try and buy him from his team and their happy place. Waynes is a first rounder himself, pick 11. Corners can take a few years to blossom. It's a hard position to play. Rhodes was a walking bag of flaws at first. He worked into who he's become with hard work and experience.


Separate of the debate of whether the overall package is worth it, but I feel 100 percent confident saying that Waynes will never be remotely close to Peterson's level. We're talking about a player who was All-Pro as a rookie, hasn't missed a Pro Bowl since he's been in the NFL and is still in his prime. Again, that's a big price to pay, so I don't disagree with your larger point. But if Waynes had any greatness in him -- and he's at least gotten to the point where he's solid -- we'd have already seen it by now.


My biggest issue with Waynes is how inconsistent he is. It's year 4 and he can have 1 game where I go, okay now I see why he was taken so high in the 1st round. Then the very next week I can see the opposing QB picking on him every play and he cant cover to save his life and I just think how the hell is this guy still getting playing time. So ya last week he was great, but I just have little faith that it will carry over to this week.

And ya Peterson is just on a different level. And ya its not just 1 upgrade, its upgrading Waynes with Peterson, but then that also upgrades Rhodes because he will then be taking on #2s and he will be even more effective.

I personally want the trade to happen, but ya I guess long term I wont mind staying put and keeping the picks.


It's a tough choice. For one, I don't follow the day-to-day like I used to, so I have no idea if this deal is even legit. And we obviously have needs elsewhere -- offensive line, cough cough.

But the picks are tough, man. If you spend it on, say, Cordarelle Patterson, then yeah, you obviously wish you could have that back and taken Peterson in the first place. (If, again, it's even an option.) On the other hand, few teams know better than the Vikings what can happen if you overpay for a player you think can push you over the top.

It's just that, you don't have a chance to land a difference-maker of that caliber, at such a key position, very often. So yeah, I think I would pull the trigger too, even if that means we're going to struggle up front for another year or two. I don't know, maybe that's bad asset management to expect your $30 million QB to survive getting hit 10-plus times a week. But man, that's tough to turn down.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#178 » by hermes » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:05 pm

we probably don't have the money to make it work anyway
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#179 » by Worm Guts » Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:15 pm

Yeah, I’m pretty sure we don’t have any cap space. I’m kind of hesitant anyway. How well do cornerbacks age? Is this the right year to go all in?
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#180 » by Jedzz » Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:37 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:Separate of the debate of whether the overall package is worth it, but I feel 100 percent confident saying that Waynes will never be remotely close to Peterson's level. We're talking about a player who was All-Pro as a rookie, hasn't missed a Pro Bowl since he's been in the NFL and is still in his prime. Again, that's a big price to pay, so I don't disagree with your larger point. But if Waynes had any greatness in him -- and he's at least gotten to the point where he's solid -- we'd have already seen it by now.


I definitely see your point. Peterson is another level and he showed it right away. I think the allure is that it might make the defense stout and unbeatable again. To that aim I would agree he and the deal might be worth it. But the Vikings will still have a major weakness on oline trying to finish this season no matter how it ends. After the season they might then be completely cap strapped plus they will be missing a 1st and 3rd in this draft so chances of improving much dwindles. it's certainly an all in move on this season. Which might be worth it given what they paid this QB and what his chances are of staying healthy for three years behind a now classic VIkings Oline. They would have to get creative to improve that line next offseason if they bring Peterson in. It might mean some cuts occur.

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