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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#261 » by Jedzz » Fri Nov 2, 2018 9:38 am

hermes wrote:its wild to me that you don't consider the defense on the 2017 team consistently great


Alright so now you want to change the subject. I understand.

I suppose your assertion now is that a 13-3 record says everything about that 2017 defense?

The opponents of the playoffs always show you where your weaknesses are. We saw who was weakest in the playoffs. Fact is the offense carried this defense much of the season and allowed them to pressure opponents that were forced to get one dimensional. I'm certain you disagree.

Those playoff opponents wrote the book on how to easily trigger Zimmer into shutting down the offense and taking the heart out of his own defense. It's a weekly reality now and so is a defense that can no longer be relied on to make a stand at any point. They don't have a coach asking them to win anymore. They have a guy collecting checks with a title. But you want to point to a 2017 record, and the defense, while at the same time the team is going into games right now acting like their opponents are gods they shouldn't anger. Zimmer's cornerbacks are playing 10 yards off the line these days. His linebackers backpedal in their sleep now. Mr. Zimmer is running this team on both sides of the ball like he's scared of many of the opponents today. There I've said it, and his defense has taken up his emotions like they are their own.

The 11-5 2015 Vikings defense was two fold better than the 13-3 2017 Vikings defense. 2015 was consistent defense in the face of all adversity. It's just too bad they had no offense I'll never be able to explain that in a way you'll understand because you are too busy being content with chasing division titles. Forget Conference titles or superbowls. There is nothing critical we can discuss because you see no other team in this division running away by record yet. But the Vikings are on pace right now for a 8-7-1 record. They aren't just losing to good teams. They are losing to anything on any random day right now. A child could coach this team to a .500 record with decisions based on coin flips. I hope you ask for a little more. It's not just about building a team of talents. You have to use them correctly on game days.

At least I've been allowed to post my thoughts here. But I see we are at a serious impasse and I'll stop now before things go south. I'll let you get back to enjoying a team that throws a 4 yard pass to a runningback on 3rd and 25 and blames losses on "player mistakes".
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#262 » by hermes » Sat Nov 3, 2018 12:46 am

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hermes wrote:its wild to me that you don't consider the defense on the 2017 team consistently great


Alright so now you want to change the subject. I understand.

I suppose your assertion now is that a 13-3 record says everything about that 2017 defense?

The opponents of the playoffs always show you where your weaknesses are. We saw who was weakest in the playoffs. Fact is the offense carried this defense much of the season and allowed them to pressure opponents that were forced to get one dimensional. I'm certain you disagree.

no, not the record...the stats

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/year/2015
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/year/2017

seems unfair to me to grade the team's whole year based on what happened in the playoffs
wild and crazy things happen in the playoffs


At least I've been allowed to post my thoughts here. But I see we are at a serious impasse and I'll stop now before things go south. I'll let you get back to enjoying a team that throws a 4 yard pass to a runningback on 3rd and 25 and blames losses on "player mistakes".

i think you might be right about the impasse

don't get me wrong, i want this team to win a super bowl, but i don't lose sleep over not doing it

remember, its just a game. don't take it too seriously or you'll never get out alive
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#263 » by Jedzz » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:55 am

Please don't waste my time now. "it doesn't ruin my day if they don't make the superbowl" "don't take it so..." I know. And that's why you don't care if the team isn't really trying to win more. Me, I care about the point of them playing at all. I'm still watching after all these years so obviously not winning it all isn't 100% for me either. But trying to get there is 100% for me. That's what makes me post critical points about it. I don't post critical points for something to do. I watched the Timberwolves the other night win a game playing with great heart all game and I didn't see anything worth being critical about. If they had lost on a final second Jazz score I still would have nothing critical to say about it. Because they tried hard and did what they could and that made it great entertainment no matter the outcome. They weren't being stupid about anything major. Watching the head coach and offensive coordinator for the Vikings decide to punt after first down is a direct slap in the face to anyone that has set aside time in their life to watch these games. At that point it's not a game with competition and winners and losers. At that point it's a team going through the motions to keep the money flowing.

2017. Lions and Panthers games are why they couldn't have homefield against the Eagles in the end. They had no business losing those games. Certainly not to the Panthers. The Steelers game the head coach was so scared it was a loss before they walked into their away lockerrooms. Playoffs: Defense allows Saints to make up over 20 points in about a quarter's time. Horrible defense. Eagles game. No defense period. Not a great defense. It seems the offense was making opponents one dimensional often and that helped an otherwise seesaw defense out last year. They stunk it up when it mattered. They stink it up every single time Zimmer and Defilippo put the slow churn on the offense this year. If I can figure it out, you can be sure their opponents know this.

I'll let you get back to not caring about winning.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#264 » by Worm Guts » Sat Nov 3, 2018 8:13 pm

Yes, the Vikings should have gone 16-0 and only didn't because of terrible coaching. You are obviously a perfectly reasonable fan.
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Post#265 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Nov 4, 2018 4:54 am

Lol, WTF happened to this thread?
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Post#266 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 6:50 pm

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Post#267 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 6:58 pm

pass rush is really on it today
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Post#268 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 7:50 pm

that was a tough drop by robinson

running game is doing alright today so that's nice
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Post#269 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 7:55 pm

pass rush is eating stafford alive, 6 sacks already
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Post#270 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:06 pm

wow

lions need like 4 more o-linemen, they can't keep stafford clean
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Post#271 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:06 pm

At least the defense is beginning to look elite again. The pass rush is having a field day today
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Post#272 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:16 pm

nooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post#273 » by Worm Guts » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:25 pm

That helps
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Post#274 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:27 pm

hunter is really really good
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Post#275 » by hermes » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:39 pm

everyone, lets meet at the qb

stafford is going to feel this tomorrow
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#276 » by Worm Guts » Sun Nov 4, 2018 8:53 pm

These division games are huge. Gotta win them to get the division, the rest of our schedule doesn't do us any favors.
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Post#277 » by Sedale Threatt » Sun Nov 4, 2018 11:39 pm

Was unavoidably detained so I couldn’t watch, but I about sh*t when I saw the sack total. Were we that good - or more specifically, did Zimmer coach that well - or did the Lions suck that bad?
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Post#278 » by Jedzz » Mon Nov 5, 2018 12:49 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:Was unavoidably detained so I couldn’t watch, but I about sh*t when I saw the sack total. Were we that good - or more specifically, did Zimmer coach that well - or did the Lions suck that bad?


The Lions Oline didn't look to have a chance today for whatever reason. Front 4 were collapsing pocket all day on them. Not sure if Zimmer was doing much different of if it was just the matchup/confidence difference for Vikings' front 4.. Johnson was roaming a bit. Fellt like a 3-4 at times. Didn't see much more then a single 5th blitzing secondary player occasionally, including Alexander. Did look more like the effective defense of before. But still not really willing to send everyone or even 6 in often. Didn't need to I suppose. Lions passing attack averaged only 3 yards per. Looked hapless/pointless at times because of the front 4 pressure. Then they would hit two nice passes in a row before getting shut down again. Lots O punts day.

Saw the one limited time remaining drive of 39 seconds, and with the lead Zimmer still allowed the offense to try and score. So that was nice. They ended up with at least a field goal I think on that one. Don't know if Zimmer learned from last week, or if he just allowed it in this game because we had a lead and detroit wasn't scaring him with their offense. Either way, they didn't completely quit on offense at any point which is nice. With Diggs out, Lions were smothering Thielen quite a bit and it looks like the purposely went away from forcing much into there. They let Robinson and Treadwell free or 1 on 1 often. Nice to see Treadwell not drop a pass that hit his hands. Robinson had couple nice plays, then I big drop deep that was in his hands. Still not a fan of Defilippos constant use of Thielen short inside. Oh well. Not blowing anyone out with this coordinator. Will just carry on. Tougher opponents coming up soon. Hopefully this was all a sign of learning to play better and not just a confidence roll that ends when Bears/Packer/Patriots plays out. The offense only put up 17 today. If the Lions had gotten lucky even once it would have been a game again but they just looked useless with no Oline.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#279 » by Jedzz » Mon Nov 5, 2018 7:12 pm

Are we going to wait until after the Bears game result to claim the defense is amazing again? Another night game.
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Re: 2018 regular season thread 

Post#280 » by hermes » Tue Nov 6, 2018 12:15 am

Sedale Threatt wrote:Was unavoidably detained so I couldn’t watch, but I about sh*t when I saw the sack total. Were we that good - or more specifically, did Zimmer coach that well - or did the Lions suck that bad?

i think a combination lions o-line not having it and our line really having it

they did mention a few stats in the game about how the vikings have had a lot of success sacking stafford over the years

vikes have sacked stafford the most in his career, we have an advantage playing the lions more but we're a fair ways ahead of the bears and packers

there have been like 6 times that stafford has been sacked 6 or more times in a game and the vikings have half of them

we might just been strangely successful at sacking stafford

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