KGdaBom wrote:Jedzz wrote:KGdaBom wrote:You're just embarrassing yourself now. Body Catcher? LMAO.
. Best hands in all of college football. 92% contested catch %.
When you start talking about others embarrassing themselves, it's really just you embarrassing yourself. Take a breather and try not to let that old inner troll out of the basement next time.
Let me inform you what the team and some fans were trying to sell about Treadwell before his draft and after his selection. It was all about his contested catch ability, and it was all absolutely meaningless once he got here.
If you're slow on the field or can't create seperation based on being bodied or just aren't creative enough in the moment to create your own space then all your college catches are going to be through hard work contested catches. But we are talking College level corners that get run over all day every day in college.
None of this means Jefferson will be Treadwell like. I'm just not buying the rhetoric you are serving up. I'm also not a heavy college football watcher and will never claim I know who the best WRs are coming out. But wasn't a younger WR on Jefferson's own team more proliffic in yards per catch? Just guessing here, but their offense and that QB seem to like to throw. So it's great Jefferson didn't come from a running team with an aversion to passing. But that is the type of team he is joining. And so if you know this team, you know he won't have 3 other targets drawing coverage to spread out. It will be him and Thelein or him and and a TE on most plays and the double teams will come as soon as he has one nice play. Let's revisit your crowning him king of best hands catcher in college based on contested rate instead of what he was actually catching. Because if he was a couple inches taller, and or could leap 4 inches higher and actually showed much catching the ball away from his body, then I might think he could translate that high level to the NFL. WIth the little I've seen, he will likely have to aim for being as good as Diggs doing it how Diggs did things. That's the aim, not the automatic result.
I hated the selection of Treadwell and was very vocal about it on the night he was drafted and later. I actually wanted Mims more than Jefferson, but it seems that none of the GMs in the NFL agreed with me. However, Jefferson is considered by pretty much everybody to either have the best hands in the draft or close to it. That is why I said you were embarrassing yourself with the body catcher commentary. I'm not saying Jefferson is better than Diggs now or ever will be, but he is faster, bigger and far more productive in college than Diggs ever was. 6'1.25", 202 pounds,with 4.43 speed and 37.5 inch vert are all great numbers. Diggs is 6'0", 193, 4.46 speed and a 35 inch vert. If you want the pure athleticism Mims is your man, but Jefferson's measurables are very good and together with his excellent route running and incredible catching/hands he should be a good to very good pro.
You want to have a normal conversation now? Is that it?
6'1.25" is a small receiver in the NFL. Just because the Vikings love themselves tiny recevers doesn't mean they are all Desean Jacksons. Vikings tried really hard to make Diggs into Desean I can tell you that. So much so that they hurt what he was absurdly elite at and that was catching 12-15 yard passes and turning them into large yards after the catch numbers. The three 40 yard catches a game weren't as healthy for the team as eight 12's that each go for nearly 25. Instead they tried to sell him as a deep threat with low probability targets deep and slowly lowering target amounts. But that's neither here nor there in this convo.
6'1 might as well be 6 ft nothing. They have to work harder to be special players, they get beat up more, miss more games. I don't have any issue with them per say, except when you spend first round picks on them. Look were they got Diggs and Theilen. Wrs in teh first round should be 6-3 with low 40s and great high point hands. Otherwise you should maybe wait to take them later.
As far as being a body catcher claim goes, I just watched all those big play videos and that's what he is doing. As I said he is a good adjuster to the ball in the air and will come back to it. "Best hands in college" isn't earned with body catches or contested catch stats. It's earned by outreached hands and insane catching radius, and a solid catch percentage. You absolutely have used the exact same rhetoric that was used to sell Treadwell as a star first round pick.
Chase, Ja'Marr WR LSU 84 receptions, 1780 yards, 21.2 yards/c avg. 14 games, 20 Touchd, Long 78, (9) 100+ yard games
Jefferson, Justin WR 111 receptions, 1540 yards, 13.9 yards/c avg. 15 games, 18 Touchd, Long 71, (8) 100+ yard games
As I said, Jefferson wasn't even the best receiver on his team. Jefferson is a bigger receiver than Ja'Marr but he's not better. Jefferson reminds me more of how Jarious Wright played so he could be a first down machine. Good routes, good all around receiver skills. Not a high flyer, not a one handed sideline high pointer. In other words, not a first rounder. What it is. These days are nothing like the drafting days of yore. At least he wasn't taken in the first 15 picks.
Jefferson was a 800 yards guy before 2019. LSU had some kind of 10k catches thing over the summer and they changed that offense attack. They had 5 players with over 45 catches and it kind of reminded me of the 2017 Vikings. Because it was two main WRs and a third, then Backs and TEs.
I want to know why Ja'Marr Chase wasn't eligible for the draft this year. I don't know the details on his eligibility, but how many light it up like that? Moronic draft eligibility rules.
), christmas game on friday