roster changes for 2010/11 season

Devilzsidewalk · Post #1 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 2:30 pm

MVP type seasons from Favre and Jared Allen have overshadowed holes in the team. Without those 2 players I think we're a .500 team and I think we need address some issues so we aren't relying on 2 guys next year because when teams take away those 2 players we get our asses kicked.

offensive line: changes have to be made, they never open up holes for AD anymore as he's always having to contend with D-lineman and linebackers at and often times behind the line of scrimmage. Used to be contending with linebackers and DBs after hitting a hole. I think we need a new center and RG for the running game. As for the pass protection, Loadholt and Mount are getting killed all the time, but we have so much invested in them that they probably can't make a move.

secondary: Griffin and Madieu Williams don't bring much to the table, I'd be fine with 2 new guys, or possibly moving Griffin to safety and bringing in a new corner

special teams: need guys that can plug their gaps, I'm tired of watching opposing returners bursting through massive holes at full speed

Post #2 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 3:30 pm

The offensive line has been confusing. They've been great in pass protection at times, and when they are, we march up and down the field. Other times they get destroyed and we can't move the ball. I agree that it seems like there are always defenders in the backfield, and that can't happen.

Throw Tyrell Johnson into that group with Williams and Griffin. He tackles like a girl and doesn't make many plays. Of course this group too has been solid at times but when they blow up, it's big.

Coverage teams have been solid until yesterday I think.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #3 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:20 pm

I think they need to trade down and go heavy on depth in the draft.
in free agency they should look to snipe Richard Marshall or Nick Collin to improve the secondary

buckybadgerfan · Post #4 » by **buckybadgerfan** » Tue Jan 5, 2010 4:05 am

Nick Collins at safety sounds okay but do we need another packer on our team? If that was the case I'd prefer we kept Sharper.

What's encouraging is that we have an excellent group of young playmakers. What's good is that we have some young guys who like to fly to the ball and hit. Agree with you guys that Sanford should start over Johnson who doesn't have a knack for hitting or making plays--not the attitude we need on defense. And although rookie Loadholt has filled in admirably on the O-line we still remain inconsistent and overrated in that area.
However, besides the QB position, my biggest concern in the next year or two is how do we replace Pat Williams?

Post #5 » by **Worm Guts** » Tue Jan 5, 2010 1:08 pm

Terence Cody is supposed to go in the 20's, he might be a solid replacement for Pat.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #6 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Tue Jan 5, 2010 2:42 pm

I was thinking Jimmy Kennedy for now. On passing downs sub Robison in for him.

deeney0 · Post #7 » by **deeney0** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 1:27 am

I was worried about replacing Pat, too, but Kennedy has been sound enough that I wouldn't throw money or a high pick at it. Kennedy was a high pick himself, he's just blooming late.

Post #8 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 1:19 pm

Kennedy is OK, but if Cody is the best player on the board (I have no idea) I wouldn't shy away from picking him.

hermes · Post #9 » by **hermes** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 3:19 pm

cody is a monster if he's there we should definitely consider taking him, can't have enough depth on the d-line

Devilzsidewalk · Post #10 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 7:27 pm

I'm hesitant on nose tackles early in the draft, they're too dangerous w/ potential weight problems as they get older, not many people lose weight from their early to mid and late 20s. Cody is especially a red flag on that note. It's not too bad late 1st, but if we're gonna take a risk on something I think I'd rather use that risk on a QB prospect like Tebow or McCoy

Post #11 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 7:50 pm

I don't want to take a QB with a high pick. We're good right now, but we need help. Let's get someone who can step right in and play.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #12 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Wed Jan 6, 2010 10:25 pm

I'd go CB if there was one worth taking, but otherwise I'd go with QB as you usually don't have the opportunity to get a QB w/ potential like Tebow and McCoy late 1st. For a DT, are we assuming Big Pat is done? Otherwise there's not much difference between a DT or QB, both are gonna be backups.

Post #13 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 1:13 pm

Rookie defensive tackles can actually be good, plus backups play meaningful snaps. Look how much Jimmy Kennedy has played this year.
Plus I hate taking QB's late 1st/2nd round. All the good ones are gone and you're passing up guys who could actually help you immediately.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #14 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 3:26 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Rookie defensive tackles can actually be good, plus backups play meaningful snaps. Look how much Jimmy Kennedy has played this year.
Plus I hate taking QB's late 1st/2nd round. All the good ones are gone and you're passing up guys who could actually help you immediately.

sometimes good QBs just drop though because nobody needs one, ala Aaron Rodgers.

Post #15 » by **Worm Guts** » Thu Jan 7, 2010 3:37 pm

I don't think Tebow/McCoy fit that mold though. They've never been at the top of mocks and it's not like they're under the radar. My impression is that they're good college QBs but mediocre prospects who have their draft status inflated because they play for elite programs.

buckybadgerfan · Post #16 » by **buckybadgerfan** » Fri Jan 8, 2010 12:46 pm

After seeing Alabama's rushing defense solidify because of Cody I say yes draft Cody when he's available. His physique and athleticism > Pat Williams and both demand double teams.

Devilzsidewalk · Post #17 » by **Devilzsidewalk** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:25 pm

I still rather go QB, though I see where you're coming from, big Pat is old.

How about free agency though, there's some nice DTs: Wilfork, Seymour, Hampton,etc

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/dl.html

also I support raiding the Packers this offseason, I think that defense is gonna be under scrutiny after giving up huge points to Arizona and they might be eager to make big changes, but we got lit up by AZ too, they just have an elite offense and the Packers pass rush isn't as good as ours. I say go after Collins in FA and offer a mid round pick for AJ Hawk

Post #18 » by **Worm Guts** » Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:38 pm

Wilfork or Hampton would be good, but I don't think they'd come unless Pat retired. I think Seymour is more like Kevin Williams. Pairing them together could still be really good, but it's not how we had success these past few years.
I'd like Collins. I don't know about Hawk, are we using him as a backup or is he replacing someone? I suppose EJ's career might be over, but is Hawk a middle linebacker?

hermes · Post #19 » by **hermes** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:20 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Rookie defensive tackles can actually be good, plus backups play meaningful snaps. Look how much Jimmy Kennedy has played this year.
Plus I hate taking QB's late 1st/2nd round. All the good ones are gone and you're passing up guys who could actually help you immediately.

and cody probably wouldn't be called on to contribute in a starters role from day 1, so he can get the hang of things

which seems to be a positive more times than not for rookies

and i really don't want to draft tebow

daddyfivestar · Post #20 » by **daddyfivestar** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:20 pm

Needs: S, ILB, DT, RB, OL, QB

S- Johnson had a decent soph season and Sanford showed some skills but a #1 is needed. I think FA is the place for the upgrade though. The Williams/Johnson combo is probably in the bottom half of the league, only masked by the great Dline play. I go after Nick Collins (Green Bay) or Dawan Landry (Ravens) hard.

ILB- Imo EJ is done. First option I'd like is FA Kirk Morrison (Raiders MLB). Guy is a player. Then, I'd like Pat Angerer (Iowa) in the 4th rd to come in and compete with Brinkley as backup, provide depth and some special teams aggresion.

DT- Big Pat might have another year, and Kennedy is a solid backup, but it might be time to retrench and keep the line the strength of the team. If Cody (doubtful) is avail he'd be very Pat like. I also like Brian Price (UCLA) but he's a KWill clone at under tackle and not as huge a run-stuffer, super talented though Pac10 DPOY.

RB- With AD's fumbling, wouldn't a big bruising back like Toby Gerhart be awesome for goal line and short yard carries to supplement Adrian and Chet. 3rd round?

OL- I think another 2nd rounder should be used on OL, Mike Johnson (Alabama). Best zone blocking Guard avail in the draft, and played RT some at Bama opposite Andre Smith in prev years. Cannot protect Brett enough, as we've seen.

QB- Obviously the big question: Can the Vikings find a protege for Brett? Personally, I think this is a weak draft outside of the top couple and has a bunch of guys (Pike, Canfield, Lefevour, Snead) who will be backups at best, not starters much less stars. Imo, convincing Brett to take one more run at it while carrying TJ, Rosenrosen, and Booty is better. Use the draft picks to fill other needs.

My draft:
1. DT (Cody)
2. OG (Johnson)
3. RB (Gerhart)
4. ILB (Angerer)
FAs- one of safeties Collins or Landry, and mlb Morrison.
There are some good guards in FA but I doubt any are getting away.