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I know he's suppose to be a really good returner and we traded a 2nd round pick and a 7th round pick for him, but what is his recieving skills?

He is just like Troy Brown in Brown's prime...

Welker will fit in just fine here, and have a solid year. Good Move by the pats.

U2larkin04 wrote:He is just like Troy Brown in Brown's prime...

Almost.

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Almost.

When you say almost, what is almost supposed to mean.

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Almost.

explain please... (And just so you know, Troy Brown is and has been my favorite player on the Patriots since I was old enough to actually get football)

He's not as good as prime troy brown, he's close but he wouldn't have had 100 catches in the same situation.


BTW, pierce 4 3, you need to change your sig. The limit's 400x90, your's isn't even close.

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When you say almost, what is almost supposed to mean.

almost means that hes like young troy brown, but years ahead of browns timeline. welker has been one of thr most productive players in the league, and if you consider he was undrafted has grown exponentially each year. last year he basically made himself as good as any third receiver and many second receivers, and it was the first time he was really involved in the offense that much. now if he moves outside, his weaknesses become more prominent, but the guy is basically a perfect slot receiver. i will anoint him the young troy brown, and will stand by that somewhat bold statement. more than anything, belichicks interest in the kid suggests as much

I might be able to give you a better indication of what Welker was like as a receiver. I watched his entire career in Miami. He's a nice player, but he's not spectacular. He's best at catching the short pass and running with it, and is very reliable. This isn't a guy who's going to run the deep route and burn the entire defense, this is a guy who's going to go underneath, catch the tough passes, and make the first guy miss. He's a guy Tom Brady can trust, because he's going to come up with most of the catches.

As far as the returns go, you're looking at a solid and reliable guy. Nothing more. He's not a burner who's going to make people forget what Dante Hall did in KC a couple of years ago, he's just solid and reliable.

So, you gave up a 2nd and a 7th for a solid, reliable guy who happens to play with a ton of heart. Given that you also have Stallworth, and now Moss, his value to you might not be as pronounced as it would have been otherwise. Whether he's worth the price you paid or not isn't up to me to decide. That's for you guys.

Give him a chance though, you'll love his game. You can't watch him play and not see the work he's put in...

Would you say like Wayne Chrebet?

Awesome slot receiver...I was sad about Brown leaving but Welker is a good addition

With a couple burners like Moss and Stallworth, Welker should fit in perfectly as a short route possession receiver. He'll play a similar role as Troy Brown much of his career, though he'll never reach the peak that Troy did. Even so, a reliable guy like Welker who can go over the middle and pick up short yards is perfect in an offense with two deep threats on the outside. In general, the roles of the receiving core should really mesh together well.

I wish we hadn't given up a 2nd round pick, but it's a safe move, and the Patriots aren't the type of team that needs to be swinging for the fences with their draft picks, as much as I'd like them to be.

Geech wrote:Would you say like Wayne Chrebet?

Wayne Chrebet light. That's who we used to compare him to on a regular basis...

I've just got to add one more thing about the Chrebet comparison. Wes is missing the toughness that Chrebet had. You could hit Chrebet a million times and he wasn't going down. No matter how hard you hit him, he was going to make the catch and probably get away from you. He was a nightmare. I like Welker, but he's missing that element. He'll take the hit, don't get me wrong, but he's probably not getting away from it...

he'll probably be our best receiver this season, Randy moss included

do the pats still plan to use him as a returner?

Probably. Brown is too old and slow, but i guess Kevin Faulk could be an option on punt returns. Welker should be the guy though on kick/punt returns

I always think of Tim Dwight when talking about Wes Welker.

At best he's a 3rd WR who is more than solid on Special Teams. I think the Patriots over payed for his services but with Brady he's a great fit.

I like the Troy Brown comparison as well.

Tim Dwight is just a pretty terrible comparison. Aside from the fact that Dwight sucks at football, he is not a possession WR at all. Welker, while undersized and quick, was not much of a deep threat at all and more of a possession WR who goes across the middle and is willing to take a huge hit.

They are white WR's (well, Dwight not so much anymore--he is more of a water boy these days) who return kicks but their games really aren't that similar. I'd say you are letting the color of their skin make that comparison for you.

I think the poor mans Troy Brown (in his prime that is, obviously he is better than Brown right now) is pretty damn good.

Also, unlike most, I don't think the Patriots overpaid. I'll take a young WR who is as solid as Wes Welker in the 2nd round every draft if you could guarantee me he would pan out like Welker. I find NFL draft picks (aside from 1st rounders, which are close to can't miss with the Pats) to be pretty overrated. Go back and look at every draft, almost all guys in the 2nd round or later never turn out as good as someone like Wes Welker.

kobeSTOPkobeDONT wrote:Tim Dwight is just a pretty terrible comparison. Aside from the fact that Dwight sucks at football, he is not a possession WR at all. Welker, while undersized and quick, was not much of a deep threat at all and more of a possession WR who goes across the middle and is willing to take a huge hit.

They are white WR's (well, Dwight not so much anymore--he is more of a water boy these days) who return kicks but their games really aren't that similar. I'd say you are letting the color of their skin make that comparison for you.

I think the poor mans Troy Brown (in his prime that is, obviously he is better than Brown right now) is pretty damn good.

Also, unlike most, I don't think the Patriots overpaid. I'll take a young WR who is as solid as Wes Welker in the 2nd round every draft if you could guarantee me he would pan out like Welker. I find NFL draft picks (aside from 1st rounders, which are close to can't miss with the Pats) to be pretty overrated. Go back and look at every draft, almost all guys in the 2nd round or later never turn out as good as someone like Wes Welker.

while you are right in saying that many first round receivers dont even turn out as well as welker, saying draft picks after the first round dont is incorrect. aside from wide receiver, you can find starters and stars in any round fo the nfl draft. receivers are more of a crapshoot than most because the translation is tough from college

also, ask asante samuel and deion branch if the patriots OVERpay for anything