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Do you guys think that the pat's will take a QB in the draft, possibly in tha 3,4,5 round?

We all know matt cassel is not going to do well if Tom brady gets injured so why not take a Troy Smith in the thrid or John Beck or my personal favorite Chris leak who will be the steal of the draft for who ever takes him.

I highly doubt it. We already have a good backup in Matt Cassell, and besides the 3rd and 4th rounds can still get a decent player.

happykooner wrote:Do you guys think that the pat's will take a QB in the draft, possibly in tha 3,4,5 round?

We all know matt cassel is not going to do well if Tom brady gets injured so why not take a Troy Smith in the thrid or John Beck or my personal favorite Chris leak who will be the steal of the draft for who ever takes him.

No.

because if Matt Cassel cannot come in and do good. Do you really think Troy Smith, or Chris Leak would?

and besides the 3rd and 4th rounds can still get a decent player.

I think Leak or Smith would be able to come in good, the only real reason the people don't like them is because they are short... they have experience, leadership skills, and talent...

I see nothing wrong with Cassel. For a short stretch I think he would do just fine. I don't see Leak or Smith being able to do better than Cassel in the backup role.

I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Smith if he fell. Not in the 3rd though. Maybe late in the 4th. And that's not a knock on Cassel, who is a solid back-up. It's hard not to look bad coming in after Brady. It seems like the Pats take a shot on a risky boom/bust player in the middle-rounds every year, no reason Smith couldn't be that guy this year.

If belicheck or pioli really thinks we need a QB. I hope they go the route of Isiah Stanback. I was watching him at the combine, and he is not much of a QB. But he seems like the antwann randel el type of player. We could put him at wideout. And he could always come in as an emergency QB if needed.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/players/92661

If we draft a QB, he'll be a 3rd string.

It'd be a waste of a draft pick to take one in the 3rd for 4th round. Cassel's fine.

westthebest wrote:It'd be a waste of a draft pick to take one in the 3rd for 4th round. Cassel's fine.

There's no such thing as "wasting" a mid-round pick if you get someone talented. If you can't use them, you can always trade them. Take Atlanta, for example. They couldn't use Shaub, but he became a nice asset to have for trades, etc.

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There's no such thing as "wasting" a mid-round pick if you get someone talented. If you can't use them, you can always trade them. Take Atlanta, for example. They couldn't use Shaub, but he became a nice asset to have for trades, etc.

thats true, its just unlikely that the pets wont go for someone who fills a greater need of similar value in that position, unless a guy who was supposed to go much higher has fallen and they figure training camp will be enough time for him to build up trade value, but that good of a player being available is unlikely.

if chris leak falls, that would be great. i think hes definitely a future starter, it will just take some time. say 5th round or so, where he is very likely to be available

I think leak would be a great addition even if he is third string.
if Tom gets injured and matt does not do well it will be nice to have leak as an emergancy QB until Brady gets back.

Pats prob take a QB in the sixth or seventh round.

TheCelticTruth wrote:thats true, its just unlikely that the pets wont go for someone who fills a greater need of similar value in that position, unless a guy who was supposed to go much higher has fallen and they figure training camp will be enough time for him to build up trade value, but that good of a player being available is unlikely.

I've never seen the Pats make a pick based on their needs. The couple times they have had a really obvious need going into the draft, they've made a trade or signing to eliminate it (Dillon, AT, James). If a QB is best available when they pick in the 3rd/4th, they'll draft a QB. They will, of course, avoid putting way to much cap space into a single position, hence they wouldn't go QB in the 1st, but after that nothing would surprise me.

GregB wrote:Pats prob take a QB in the sixth or seventh round.

Agree, Cassell is a lot better than you think he is.

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I've never seen the Pats make a pick based on their needs.

pk sam, bethel johnson

im not saying they are going to overlook a talented player, what im saying is that if theres a qb whos pretty much equal in talent to a db, theyre gonna go with the db, you know?

TheCelticTruth wrote:pk sam, bethel johnson

Are you suggesting they overreached for those guys? I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

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Are you suggesting they overreached for those guys? I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

sam less so, but yes. especially considering the impact they never had. you dont have to agree but most draft people said so at the time, and im sure bill and scott would admit to being wrong if you talked to them. well, you dont even have to, both players were let go. says it all. but it wasnt an OVERreach so much as a reach for positional need. so they obviously look at what they need positionally. is it their philosophy to draft for position, no. but thats the beauty of the pats, they have their base strategy, but philosophy number 1 is flexibility. theyre not perfect, but theyre as close as anyone gets

The only QB thats offers things that Brady and Cassell don't is Troy Smith, if he fell to the 4th or 5th round I would not be terrible sad if the Pats got him.

It's impossible to not set up your board based upon need. If you know that you are going to need help in the secondary, what position do you think is going to be most heavily scouted or watched? I'm not saying they will ignore other positions but it's a sort of subconcious deal. So when you get to the 4-5-6th round and you're taking flyers, those lesser known, raw players that have been scouted a bit (like Sam) are probably going to get picked. Every team does that and to completely ignore position and needs is foolhardy. But it's also completely stupid to ignore value as well. Especially really early on, there is just so much talent that you really need to draft the best available player but come the mid-rounds, taking a flyer on a position of weakness is not bad. mahalo
~Chach~