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Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:32 pm**

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/p ... be_closed/

Apparently the Commish would like the Patriots to hand over any similiar videos they have. This brings up several concepts to me.

1. What can he really do if the Pats just do nothing? It isn't like he can search Gillette as if they would be there to be found now. Can he get a search warrant?

2. With the tape in question now airing within a week, wouldn't all of the tapes Belicheck hands over eventually become public. Meaning instead of the Pats having video of everyone's signals, everyone would have video of everyone's signals.

3. Has anyone ever seen the security camera system they have at Gillette and what it is capable of?

http://www.csoonline.com/read/010104/nfl.html

The league strongly encourages that stadiums have digitally based surveillance. For an older stadium, that can be a tremendous expense, costing up to a half-million dollars without producing any revenue. But the effectiveness of digital surveillance on security is hard to dismiss. At the New England Patriots' stadium in Foxborough, Mass., the security personnel can pan the entire Gillette Stadium with their digital camera system and zero in on a single seat if necessary. Now, if someone throws a snowball at a game official, the security team can quickly retrieve a digital image of the incident, print out an instant photo of the fan with his arm cocked back, ready to throw. And when security approaches him to escort him out of the stadium, there is no argument. They simply show him the photo and walk him out to the gate.

This is why FIFA has most of the World Cup matches in Foxboro, which is were the system originated from at the old stadium. This camcorder stuff is nonsense it is for road games.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:57 pm**

According to Peter King, Jay Glazer from Fox Sports obtained the Patriots' tape from the league somehow. But whether or not Goodell releases any other tapes is probably up to his discretion because the matter concerns the NFL only.

Technically, coaches are supposed to distribute their game tape to the rest of the league as per NFL policy. Funny story about that... last week Gregg Williams said he's actually been sent game tape of himself giving out signals because teams forgot to edit out the "questionable" material in the distributed copy. Anyone acting like what Belichick did is a new and shocking development clearly isn't paying attention.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:05 pm**

HCYanks wrote:According to Peter King, Jay Glazer from Fox Sports obtained the Patriots' tape from the league somehow. But whether or not Goodell releases any other tapes is probably up to his discretion because the matter concerns the NFL only.

Technically, coaches are supposed to distribute their game tape to the rest of the league as per NFL policy. Funny story about that... last week Gregg Williams said he's actually been sent game tape of himself giving out signals because teams forgot to edit out the "questionable" material in the distributed copy. Anyone acting like what Belichick did is a new and shocking development clearly isn't paying attention.

Or are naive enough or one-sided enough to believe and lap up whatever those idiots at ESPN/CBS/NBC/Fox desks keeps spewing out.

Props on Tiki Barber though. He's the only guy that I've heard actually admit that other teams do this as well.

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:30 am**

so I hear billick is accusing the jets of illegally simulating the snap count ?

I have a feeling mangini only hurt himself in this charge he brought on BB. I dont think many coaches are gonna respect him for being a rat. isnt this type of thing hush hush with coaches ?

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:51 am**

I didn't hear it but apparently Jimmy Johnson said he did the same thing when he coached.

As for Mangini eventually the interest in Belichick will end as will the baseball season and then NY will want to know why the genius' football team blows against everyone not just the guys with the camcorders. Being a head coach isn't a popularity contest but he has sort of made himself and his team fair game.

As for Sheriff Goodell he may have made a huge problem for himself with this tape leak. There is more than just a little irony that Jay Glaser and Fox got the tape as opposed to the other 3 NFL partners, specifically the two with primetime shows. His wife works for Fox. It is one thing to leak the tape it is totally another to piss off the media partners who shape his obvious self important image.

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:49 pm**

J.Kim wrote:Props on Tiki Barber though. He's the only guy that I've heard actually admit that other teams do this as well.

Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher (!), and Dan Marino all held that same opinion. It was funny to hear Cowher say it since, apparently, one of his ex-players (Bettis) was moaning that the Pats were unforgiving cheaters.

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:06 pm**

does anybody have a link to Coweher saying it- i have been hearing it from a close friend of mine who is a steelers fan for the last week. i would love to shut him up.

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:51 pm**

It was on the CBS show. Dunno if there's tape of it anywhere.

Posted: **Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:05 pm**

i wonder if they have tape of the jets staff taping pats coaches at foxboro?

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