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Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin

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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#61 » by Grang33r » Sat Jul 9, 2022 4:40 pm

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Upperclass wrote:An absolute star. Basically should be what Oladipo was when healthy


Hopefully in years, maybe ... and I doubt that. Dipo was an isolation scorer, who created shots for himself mostly and sometimes others off the dribble. Mathurin needs to work on his ball handling and handling contact when doing so. His defense also needs a lot of work to get where Dipo was for that exceptional time. You can't give Mathurin the ball and say ... 'go get a shot'. If that's who you're expecting you're likely to be greatly disappointed. He also is more theory than results on defense. He has the tools, but he gets lost off ball easy and gets burned among other issues.

I watched almost every single shot made, shot missed, turnover, rebound, assist everything he had at Arizona I could find. I would bet it was 80% of his games roughly. First, he struggles when on a level playing field with the defender, he needs a dribble hand off, screen or sloppy close out to be successful as a driver consistently. Once he gets past 2-3 dribbles, it isn't normally good. He can shoot coming off screens in a lot of ways and seems to be a good cutter, that should be his biggest use initially. But to compare him to Oladipo is just a misunderstanding what his game is and isn't at this point.

Unless he puts in a TON of work on ball handling between the end of college and the start of the NBA and makes some outrageous leaps in ability there, don't expect a guy who can get buckets on 1v1's. Oladipo was a shot creator, Mathurin is a play finisher, which will benefit from playing with Haliburton.


So what would you compare him to and in your opinion what's his future outlook?
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#62 » by RoyceDa59 » Sat Jul 9, 2022 5:03 pm

Good old Canadian boy.

Great pick. Future all-star.
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#63 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Jul 9, 2022 5:08 pm

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Upperclass wrote:An absolute star. Basically should be what Oladipo was when healthy


Hopefully in years, maybe ... and I doubt that. Dipo was an isolation scorer, who created shots for himself mostly and sometimes others off the dribble. Mathurin needs to work on his ball handling and handling contact when doing so. His defense also needs a lot of work to get where Dipo was for that exceptional time. You can't give Mathurin the ball and say ... 'go get a shot'. If that's who you're expecting you're likely to be greatly disappointed. He also is more theory than results on defense. He has the tools, but he gets lost off ball easy and gets burned among other issues.

I watched almost every single shot made, shot missed, turnover, rebound, assist everything he had at Arizona I could find. I would bet it was 80% of his games roughly. First, he struggles when on a level playing field with the defender, he needs a dribble hand off, screen or sloppy close out to be successful as a driver consistently. Once he gets past 2-3 dribbles, it isn't normally good. He can shoot coming off screens in a lot of ways and seems to be a good cutter, that should be his biggest use initially. But to compare him to Oladipo is just a misunderstanding what his game is and isn't at this point.

Unless he puts in a TON of work on ball handling between the end of college and the start of the NBA and makes some outrageous leaps in ability there, don't expect a guy who can get buckets on 1v1's. Oladipo was a shot creator, Mathurin is a play finisher, which will benefit from playing with Haliburton.


So what would you compare him to and in your opinion what's his future outlook?


Honestly, he’s a lot like college and drafted Oladipo, not prime Oladipo. Vic definitely had nothing but straight line drives in college.
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#64 » by xBulletproof » Sat Jul 9, 2022 6:04 pm

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Upperclass wrote:An absolute star. Basically should be what Oladipo was when healthy


Hopefully in years, maybe ... and I doubt that. Dipo was an isolation scorer, who created shots for himself mostly and sometimes others off the dribble. Mathurin needs to work on his ball handling and handling contact when doing so. His defense also needs a lot of work to get where Dipo was for that exceptional time. You can't give Mathurin the ball and say ... 'go get a shot'. If that's who you're expecting you're likely to be greatly disappointed. He also is more theory than results on defense. He has the tools, but he gets lost off ball easy and gets burned among other issues.

I watched almost every single shot made, shot missed, turnover, rebound, assist everything he had at Arizona I could find. I would bet it was 80% of his games roughly. First, he struggles when on a level playing field with the defender, he needs a dribble hand off, screen or sloppy close out to be successful as a driver consistently. Once he gets past 2-3 dribbles, it isn't normally good. He can shoot coming off screens in a lot of ways and seems to be a good cutter, that should be his biggest use initially. But to compare him to Oladipo is just a misunderstanding what his game is and isn't at this point.

Unless he puts in a TON of work on ball handling between the end of college and the start of the NBA and makes some outrageous leaps in ability there, don't expect a guy who can get buckets on 1v1's. Oladipo was a shot creator, Mathurin is a play finisher, which will benefit from playing with Haliburton.


So what would you compare him to and in your opinion what's his future outlook?


NBA comparison, Jason Richardson. He always scored and put up 23 ppg one year but it was on a bad team. He was more of a play finisher than shot creator, was athletic and could shoot. Sound like someone? :lol: I think 90% of his 3 point shot makes were assisted. Where shot creators are like 50% or less. The one good team he was on had Steve Nash, and he averaged 15 ppg on it, on some of his best efficiency. If that's what Mathruin is, I wouldn't be shocked.

But I think we are all hoping for better. To do that he's going to have to improve his handle like Paul George did (someone find him PGs dribbling coach). If he can do that he blows the mold up he has and it opens up everything else. He could be a legit star in that case, but I'm not counting on it.
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#65 » by Pacers Forever » Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:12 pm

Seeing Mathurin play two games now I see he has a nice shot. I like that he’s taking the ball to the rack on straight line drives. Saw some defense shows he’s working on it.

What has yet to develop is assisting and rebounding. So far his role seems to be a scorer.

I’m sure that will change when he’s playing with Tyrese and the other starters where he’ll become more involved rather than being the man.

I do think like Duarte he’s going to develop a killer instinct or mentality in time like Oladipo did.

Obviously Banchero and Holmgren are doing well. Smith, Ivey, and Murray looking good.

So far I haven’t seen anything to suggest we should have taken anyone else with our pick as Mathurin looks good like the rest of the players taken before him. It’s early :)
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#66 » by Grang33r » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:02 am

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NBA comparison, Jason Richardson. He always scored and put up 23 ppg one year but it was on a bad team. He was more of a play finisher than shot creator, was athletic and could shoot. Sound like someone? :lol: I think 90% of his 3 point shot makes were assisted. Where shot creators are like 50% or less. The one good team he was on had Steve Nash, and he averaged 15 ppg on it, on some of his best efficiency. If that's what Mathruin is, I wouldn't be shocked.

But I think we are all hoping for better. To do that he's going to have to improve his handle like Paul George did (someone find him PGs dribbling coach). If he can do that he blows the mold up he has and it opens up everything else. He could be a legit star in that case, but I'm not counting on it.


Depending where they're picking in the 2023 draft, i could def live with a Jason Richardson comp. :D
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#67 » by Wizop » Mon Jul 11, 2022 1:08 pm

“I really like him,” Jackson said of the Pacers’ lottery pick. “Defensively, he’s a dog. He really digs in on defense. I feel like he’s really, really going to help us in the future on the defensive end. Offensively, he’s real aggressive. He gets to the rim at will, he has a jump shot, and he’s a straight dog. We needed that on our team.”
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#68 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Jul 14, 2022 5:15 pm

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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#69 » by granger05 » Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:47 am

I do not watch the games, only the box scores afterwards. But, Mathurin has certainly looked the part of a scorer so far. His shot chart is particularly impressive since he's getting so much at the rim and getting to the line to boot. I've watched his highlight clips as well and it's good to see him being so aggressive.

Anybody watching the games got comments on our highest selected rookie in a long time?
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Re: Rd 1, pick 6, Pacers select Bennedict Mathurin 

Post#70 » by Wizop » Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:55 am

granger05 wrote:I do not watch the games, only the box scores afterwards. But, Mathurin has certainly looked the part of a scorer so far. His shot chart is particularly impressive since he's getting so much at the rim and getting to the line to boot. I've watched his highlight clips as well and it's good to see him being so aggressive.

Anybody watching the games got comments on our highest selected rookie in a long time?
He's the real thing. Playing like a top 10 pick. They're bringing him off the bench which I like. He'll earn his spot quickly.

Nembhard also was excellent tonight. Haliburton took the game off so McConnell started and Nembhard got solid minutes. There will be situations where Nembhard and Haliburton play together.

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