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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#21 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:14 am

Pacers lack inside strength and defense. Gafford and Porzingis working us over. Duarte looks bad 0-2, Nesmith 0-5, Brissett 1-4. Talent deficit and defense sucks.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#22 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:49 am

Pacers made it a bit entertaining but they were playing catch up all game. Obvious Mathurin is a player. Obvious the Pacers have guard depth but let’s face it rest of squad is raw and not talented enough yet. Brissett, Nesmith, Taylor, Bitdaze, Jackson, and Smith as bigs strike fear in no opponent. I don’t know if Theis would have helped but Pacers are weak 3-4-5. Turner would have at least given us more height to guard Porzingis and Gafford which got too many easy buckets and rebounds.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#23 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 2:45 am

Wizop wrote:Buchanan says Myles stepped on someone's foot in warmups

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This was the most disgusting thing I heard today! I was looking forward seeing him play. It's just gonna add to the "he's injury prone" thing in any trade talk.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#24 » by granger05 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 6:33 am

Benny Big Maths carrying over his preseason aggressiveness which I like. Staying competitive, but ultimately losing is a nice needle to thread.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#25 » by 8305 » Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:25 am

Biggest takeaways from game 1:

Tyrese and Ben are good as I had hoped but they need lots of help
Our three young bigs are useless as rebounders and defenders
I’d like to see a lineup of Myles, Taylor, Duarte, Ben and Tyrese. I think that group could actually compete.
I’ve learned to be careful what you wish for (get Myles traded so the three young bigs can develop). Wonder if they are worth the sacrifice and man that could be a very painful watch.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#26 » by boomershadow » Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:32 am

Myles not shedding that injury prone label lol
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#27 » by Tom White » Thu Oct 20, 2022 1:55 pm

Wizop wrote:I don't even think he came on the floor when the players were announced.


You're right. He didn't

Agness reports he went to locker room, came out, and went back in disgusted. Sounds like they taped it and it wasn't enough. I wouldn't read anything into him not being on the bench other than anger and disappointment.


It only made me wonder about the severity of it, and whether they had him start treatment (of whatever sort they can do) immediately to hasten the healing.

Other posters are right about the defense. It was non-existant, especially in the frontcourt.
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Post#28 » by Topofthekey » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:09 pm

I'm all for developing young talent, but hopefully this sobers people up a little. Smith and Jackson are intriguing young talents, but until they show that they can be full time quality starters, Myles Turner remains the best option Pacers have at 5
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#29 » by Wizop » Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:21 pm

Topofthekey wrote:I'm all for developing young talent, but hopefully this sobers people up a little. Smith and Jackson are intriguing young talents, but until they show that they can be full time quality starters, Myles Turner remains the best option Pacers have at 5


Jackson has the athletic ability but it looks like we got ahead of ourselves in our enthusiasm for him.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#30 » by 8305 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:38 am

Wizop wrote:
Topofthekey wrote:I'm all for developing young talent, but hopefully this sobers people up a little. Smith and Jackson are intriguing young talents, but until they show that they can be full time quality starters, Myles Turner remains the best option Pacers have at 5


Jackson has the athletic ability but it looks like we got ahead of ourselves in our enthusiasm for him.

Just have to keep saying interior defense doesn’t matter now. Hope he’s ready for the opportunity he will likely get this year.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#31 » by Wizop » Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:52 pm

8305 wrote:Just have to keep saying interior defense doesn’t matter now. Hope he’s ready for the opportunity he will likely get this year.


if interior defense doesn't matter, and shooting doesn't matter, what matters?
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#32 » by 8305 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:56 pm

Wizop wrote:
8305 wrote:Just have to keep saying interior defense doesn’t matter now. Hope he’s ready for the opportunity he will likely get this year.


if interior defense doesn't matter, and shooting doesn't matter, what matters?

I think Jackson is uniquely athletic. Even if he is never a threat to shoot I think there is a place for an extremely long athletic guy who can guard multiple positions and finish around the rim (our version of Robert Williams). Seems like our best case scenario is Ijax in the Robert Williams role and Jalen Smith in the Al Horford role. I know that is an extremely optimistic vision. Worst case one of Jackson or Smith turns out to be a solid rotation big. Best and quickest way to find out is throw them into the deep end and see if they drown before the end of the season.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#33 » by Wizop » Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:01 pm

8305 wrote:Seems like our best case scenario is Ijax in the Robert Williams role


I put the best case as more of a Bam Adebayo.
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Post#34 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:12 pm

I just don’t see Jackson having the type of ball handling skills/passing skills to really match either of what RW3 or Bam bring. Maybe in time? But I’m not seeing that type of natural skill, as yet.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#35 » by Wizop » Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:49 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:I just don’t see Jackson having the type of ball handling skills/passing skills to really match either of what RW3 or Bam bring. Maybe in time? But I’m not seeing that type of natural skill, as yet.


I agree. I think we got a little ahead of ourselves with him last year.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#36 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:52 pm

Wizop wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:I just don’t see Jackson having the type of ball handling skills/passing skills to really match either of what RW3 or Bam bring. Maybe in time? But I’m not seeing that type of natural skill, as yet.


I agree. I think we got a little ahead of ourselves with him last year.



Oh, I think he could be an elite switcher on D like those guys. I just think he’s limited to being much more of a rim-runner/lob threat on offense than those other two guys. Those two can bring more deph offensively than Jackson, as yet.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#37 » by Tom White » Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:02 pm

Wizop wrote:I agree. I think we got a little ahead of ourselves with him last year.


I think everyone got caught up in how athletic he is. We have become used to watching the Pacers be a bunch of plodders, so it was exciting to see a different look with guys like him and Haliburton. Even Heild is a speedster compared to the past.
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Re: Pacers vs. Wizards 10/19 

Post#38 » by 8305 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:23 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:I just don’t see Jackson having the type of ball handling skills/passing skills to really match either of what RW3 or Bam bring. Maybe in time? But I’m not seeing that type of natural skill, as yet.

I sure as heck don’t Bam level ball skills in IJax future and Maybe I haven’t watched enough RW3 to appreciate his ball handling. What I’ve seen is a rim runner who is a defensive menace all over the floor. I’m not even sure of the defensive piece for Jackson. He’s springy but to be that defensive guy he would need exceptional lateral mobility or remarkable instincts. Haven’t seen any of that yet. Can a guy that athletic develop one or the other? Hopefully we can figure that out this year.

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