Do we need a center

[Pacers Forever]

The good part of this transaction is that we are pretty sure the Pacers coaching staff will develop him into an adequate player who contributes. This will make him more valuable as a future trade chip if necessary to move onto a different solution.

Yup,.. but we also gotta consider,.. that Myles is under contract for this year, then becomes an UFA next summer. I'm hoping that Myles isn't going anywhere. I hope he retires after spending his whole career as a Pacer,... and winning a couple of championships,...

With a 2 year agreement, Wiseman will still be under contract until the '26 Summer. At least gives us a legit 5 in the pipeline through next summer.

Myles position becomes a huge cap concern after this season. With Tyrese and Pascal already at 42.1 mil per year, Obi at 13.4, Aaron at 11 mil, TJ at 9.3, and Mathurin, Nembhard, I Jax all wanting raises.

As Caitlin posted we all know the Pacers are on the verge of a consolidation of their young talent since they’re loaded with young hopefully maturing players.

Pacers can do the big 3 making Myles a 40 mil player also and have very little left to field a team like Phoenix and other teams have done.

Or they may have to trade Myles and others to reconfigure and keep talent around Tyrese and Pascal.

One minor good event happening is that the 1.8 mil in dead money (Stauskas, Fitts, and Morgan) from the Aaron Nesmith deal is gone after this season.

I wouldn’t want to be in the front office next summer. Not gonna be a fun time trying to reshape the roster and stay ultra competitive.

[JMaster5K]

The good part of this transaction is that we are pretty sure the Pacers coaching staff will develop him into an adequate player who contributes. This will make him more valuable as a future trade chip if necessary to move onto a different solution.

Yup,.. but we also gotta consider,.. that Myles is under contract for this year, then becomes an UFA next summer. I'm hoping that Myles isn't going anywhere. I hope he retires after spending his whole career as a Pacer,... and winning a couple of championships,...

With a 2 year agreement, Wiseman will still be under contract until the '26 Summer. At least gives us a legit 5 in the pipeline through next summer.

Myles position becomes a huge cap concern after this season. With Tyrese and Pascal already at 42.1 mil per year, Obi at 13.4, Aaron at 11 mil, TJ at 9.3, and Mathurin, Nembhard, I Jax all wanting raises.

As Caitlin posted we all know the Pacers are on the verge of a consolidation of their young talent since they’re loaded with young hopefully maturing players.

Pacers can do the big 3 making Myles a 40 mil player also and have very little left to field a team like Phoenix and other teams have done.

Or they may have to trade Myles and others to reconfigure and keep talent around Tyrese and Pascal.

One minor good event happening is that the 1.8 mil in dead money (Stauskas, Fitts, and Morgan) from the Aaron Nesmith deal is gone after this season.

I wouldn’t want to be in the front office next summer. Not gonna be a fun time trying to reshape the roster and stay ultra competitive.

Honestly,... I think Myles is more dialed in than most 'better than just good, not quite elite, not all-star' players. I think he will want a raise,.. but I can't see him thinking he should get a max or near max contract? Particularly with how the center position is currently viewed? I could be wrong, but I get the impression he really values the life that he has in Indy,.. that wouldn't be possible in a place like LA or NY?....

I can him somewhere in the sorta 23-28 range?....

Still,.. no matter how those negotiations work out,... Agree on next summer,.. it's going to be a real puzzle getting all of it to fit together.

[Wizop]

I can him somewhere in the sorta 23-28 range?....

he'll get whatever "starter's money" is at the time. think the same percentage of the cap that his current contract averaged.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yup,.. but we also gotta consider,.. that Myles is under contract for this year, then becomes an UFA next summer. I'm hoping that Myles isn't going anywhere. I hope he retires after spending his whole career as a Pacer,... and winning a couple of championships,...

With a 2 year agreement, Wiseman will still be under contract until the '26 Summer. At least gives us a legit 5 in the pipeline through next summer.

Myles position becomes a huge cap concern after this season. With Tyrese and Pascal already at 42.1 mil per year, Obi at 13.4, Aaron at 11 mil, TJ at 9.3, and Mathurin, Nembhard, I Jax all wanting raises.

As Caitlin posted we all know the Pacers are on the verge of a consolidation of their young talent since they’re loaded with young hopefully maturing players.

Pacers can do the big 3 making Myles a 40 mil player also and have very little left to field a team like Phoenix and other teams have done.

Or they may have to trade Myles and others to reconfigure and keep talent around Tyrese and Pascal.

One minor good event happening is that the 1.8 mil in dead money (Stauskas, Fitts, and Morgan) from the Aaron Nesmith deal is gone after this season.

I wouldn’t want to be in the front office next summer. Not gonna be a fun time trying to reshape the roster and stay ultra competitive.

Honestly,... I think Myles is more dialed in than most 'better than just good, not quite elite, not all-star' players. I think he will want a raise,.. but I can't see him thinking he should get a max or near max contract? Particularly with how the center position is currently viewed? I could be wrong, but I get the impression he really values the life that he has in Indy,.. that wouldn't be possible in a place like LA or NY?....

I can him somewhere in the sorta 23-28 range?....

Still,.. no matter how those negotiations work out,... Agree on next summer,.. it's going to be a real puzzle getting all of it to fit together.

Nic Claxton got $25m per year. Isaiah Hartenstein got $29m per (but front loaded, and last year a player option, so probably more like $31m per for first 2 years?). I would imagine that Myles is seeing those contracts signed and probably thinking he can get $30m per year.

[Wizop]

Nic Claxton got $25m per year. Isaiah Hartenstein got $29m per (but front loaded, and last year a player option, so probably more like $31m per for first 2 years?). I would imagine that Myles is seeing those contracts signed and probably thinking he can get $30m per year.

should be around 20% of next year's cap.

[Scoot McGroot]

Nic Claxton got $25m per year. Isaiah Hartenstein got $29m per (but front loaded, and last year a player option, so probably more like $31m per for first 2 years?). I would imagine that Myles is seeing those contracts signed and probably thinking he can get $30m per year.

should be around 20% of next year's cap.

Very good point. Most of his career he's only been paid in the 14-16% of the salary cap range. In his renegotiation and extension, he got $58m in new money for 2 new years, so he's already essentially been paid $29m per year for last year and this year.

[JMaster5K]

Nic Claxton got $25m per year. Isaiah Hartenstein got $29m per (but front loaded, and last year a player option, so probably more like $31m per for first 2 years?). I would imagine that Myles is seeing those contracts signed and probably thinking he can get $30m per year.

should be around 20% of next year's cap.

Very good point. Most of his career he's only been paid in the 14-16% of the salary cap range. In his renegotiation and extension, he got $58m in new money for 2 new years, so he's already essentially been paid $29m per year for last year and this year.

You guys make good points,... I hadn't been looking at contract values for this offseason,... I've likely underestimated on this one. He's definitely worth more than Claxton,.... looking at spotrac's information on centers,... I could definitely see Myles making on par with Hartenstein, maybe a bit more?

The class of Centers or 4/5's in FA next summer doesn't look particularly large? Only a couple of names that might be competition.

[JMaster5K]

Myles position becomes a huge cap concern after this season. With Tyrese and Pascal already at 42.1 mil per year, Obi at 13.4, Aaron at 11 mil, TJ at 9.3, and Mathurin, Nembhard, I Jax all wanting raises.

As Caitlin posted we all know the Pacers are on the verge of a consolidation of their young talent since they’re loaded with young hopefully maturing players.

Pacers can do the big 3 making Myles a 40 mil player also and have very little left to field a team like Phoenix and other teams have done.

Or they may have to trade Myles and others to reconfigure and keep talent around Tyrese and Pascal.

One minor good event happening is that the 1.8 mil in dead money (Stauskas, Fitts, and Morgan) from the Aaron Nesmith deal is gone after this season.

I wouldn’t want to be in the front office next summer. Not gonna be a fun time trying to reshape the roster and stay ultra competitive.

I can him somewhere in the sorta 23-28 range?....

Still,.. no matter how those negotiations work out,... Agree on next summer,.. it's going to be a real puzzle getting all of it to fit together.

Nic Claxton got $25m per year. Isaiah Hartenstein got $29m per (but front loaded, and last year a player option, so probably more like $31m per for first 2 years?). I would imagine that Myles is seeing those contracts signed and probably thinking he can get $30m per year.

If I look at Spotrac for next year,... We have Myles who will go to UFA? TJ, who is now extension eligible, then UFA next summer? I-Jax who is now extension eligible, and will be a RFA? & Nembhard, who is now extension eligible, if we decline his option for 25-26 he is a RFA next summer, if we exercise, a UFA in the summer of 26? Mathurin becomes extension eligible next summer, but any new money won't kick in until a year later, when he could be a RFA?

Assuming that our declining Nembhard's option,.. gotta think Wiseman's salary is close to his,.. so they kinda cancel each other out (Since Wiseman's cap figure isn't in yet.) That would leave us around $48M for Myles, TJ, I-Jax, & Nembhard. If it looks like Myles around $30M,... then 18 M for the other 3,.. or we go into the tax & have another 8M or so, before we get to the first apron (depending on the other 'apron' charges that don't roll up into our tax figure.)

I gotta agree,... next summer doesn't look like it's going to add up easily.

[Wizop]

Assuming that our declining Nembhard's option,.

since he was picked in the second round, his contract situation is different from Maturin's. I think it's safe to assume that he refuses any offered extension as the money would be less than his market value. best case for the team is he winds up as a restricted free agent.

[JMaster5K]

Assuming that our declining Nembhard's option,.

since he was picked in the second round, his contract situation is different from Maturin's. I think it's safe to assume that he refuses any offered extension as the money would be less than his market value. best case for the team is he winds up as a restricted free agent.

Yes,.. exactly. Mathurin will be a restricted FA at the end of his 4 year rookie scale contract. Nembhard, will only be a RFA if we don't exercise the team option on his 4th year. Then, he goes into FA after the 3rd year (next summer) as that RFA,.. if we exercise our team option for his third year, he is under contract until the summer of 26, but becomes an UFA in 26.

So, yes,... it's very likely that we don't exercise the option on the last year of Nembhard's contract, and he becomes a RFA next summer.

[JMaster5K]

Suddenly,... the selection of Tristen Newton doesn't seem like so much of a reach?

[Wizop]

Suddenly,... the selection of Tristen Newton doesn't seem like so much of a reach?

repeating myself, he could get a standard contract.

[Solid]

I can easily see Nembhard getting an offer that we will not match. As a back up, or out of position we can't justify a massive payout. So we might see a sign and trade for expirings and picks, to help pay for the others. In the mean time we hope Ty becomes an adequate defender, so we can start a 2 with a little more size.
I agree that what ever happens things are going to get very tight, soon.

[Wizop]

You can't pay 5 starters each 20% of the cap without a massive tax bill. with guys on max contracts, it's even worse.

[JMaster5K]

Suddenly,... the selection of Tristen Newton doesn't seem like so much of a reach?

repeating myself, he could get a standard contract.

Thinking about this conversation, I’m convinced that the FO is planning on it, for next year, at the latest.

[Wizop]

Suddenly,... the selection of Tristen Newton doesn't seem like so much of a reach?

repeating myself, he could get a standard contract.

Thinking about this conversation, I’m convinced that the FO is planning on it, for next year, at the latest.

I'd put the odds over 50% that Newton gets a rookie minimum this year and Freeman gets a two-way. of course, either or both could play their way out of a contract in summer league.