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2024 Pacers Summer League

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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#81 » by granger05 » Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:34 pm

The Athletic has an ARTICLE up with some summer league notes that mention Jarace.

Pacers second-year forward Jarace Walker has flashed a good enough looking 3-point shot to feel like it’s real. He’s averaging 19.7 points while shooting 47.4 percent from deep.


The turnovers have been an issue in summer league, but in the regular season he won't be asked to be that kind of player so I think that's less of an issue. The Pacers really need Walker and Mathurin to make a jump in order for the team to take a step forward. I'm still optimistic that both are capable of that.
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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#82 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Jul 18, 2024 8:24 pm

1-2 Pacers @ 0-3 Nuggets 4:30 on ESPN 2 or ESPN +

Looking at box scores I can see the Nuggets have sat Strawther their top scorer. Could be another chance for a win.
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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#83 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Jul 18, 2024 10:51 pm

Nuggets 86 Pacers 71. Pretty embarrassing effort today and was barely watchable. Nuggets outplayed the Pacers the entire game.

Pacers looked tired and couldn’t get shots to fall. They couldn’t put together a run to take the lead when close. All the subs got time today and nobody stood out. :noway: :oops: :banghead: :nonono:


GOOD
Freeman was 5-8 for 11 points but not much else.

BAD
Kendall Brown 3-8 for 9 points.

Tshiebwe disappeared again playing only 13 minutes 2-3 for 4 points and 5 rebounds.

Walker 4-15 for 13 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists, and 4 turnovers

UGLY
Furphy 3-12 for 8 points.

Newton 3-15 for 15 points and 4 rebounds.

Rest of team 3-12 for 11 points.
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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#84 » by JMaster5K » Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:16 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:Nuggets 86 Pacers 71. Pretty embarrassing effort today and was barely watchable. Nuggets outplayed the Pacers the entire game.

Pacers looked tired and couldn’t get shots to fall. They couldn’t put together a run to take the lead when close. All the subs got time today and nobody stood out. :noway: :oops: :banghead: :nonono:


GOOD
Freeman was 5-8 for 11 points but not much else.

BAD
Kendall Brown 3-8 for 9 points.

Tshiebwe disappeared again playing only 13 minutes 2-3 for 4 points and 5 rebounds.

Walker 4-15 for 13 points, 11 rebounds, 6 assists, and 4 turnovers

UGLY
Furphy 3-12 for 8 points.

Newton 3-15 for 15 points and 4 rebounds.

Rest of team 3-12 for 11 points.


This game should have come with one of those 'migraine warning' about flashing images,... only it should have said,...

'This program may contain continuous scenes of crappy basketball, frustration, anger, & swearing may result'.....

Just sayin,..... :o :cry: :dontknow: :sigh:

Edit: OK,... on rewatching this one,... I have to admit,... there was some good basketball. There were some individual actions & whole possessions on both ends that were really nice,.... there was just a LOT of stuff in between those possessions that wasn't.
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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#85 » by JMaster5K » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:23 am

Setting the Pace on expectations from this summer,....

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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#86 » by Pacers Forever » Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:55 pm

Pacers @ Cavaliers 5 pm.

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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#87 » by Pacers Forever » Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:04 am

I watched the first half of this game today and it wasn’t too bad tied at 38 with the Cavaliers. A lot of sub players minutes besides the starting 5 of Tshiebwe, Freeman, Brown, Newton, and Q Jackson all trying to solidify their future with the organization. So my Pacer’s SL viewing is over.

Thoughts after seeing Pacer’s Summer League are:

TEAM
Of course Walker, Sheppard, and Furphy had secure roster spots coming in. As for the K Brown roster spot, the 15th roster spot, and the 3 two way contracts I really don’t know what the Pacers will do.

Options available for the upcoming roster are to cut the non guaranteed project K Brown or sign him to the roster, sign veterans on minimum contracts, promote any of Tshiebwe, Q Jackson, Newton, or Freeman to a roster spot, or unlikely sign a SL player from another team that impressed the FO. The Pacers have a lot of end of the draft talent to decide among.

INDIVIDUAL

Sheppard definitely surprised me that he didn’t play the role of a more aggressive scorer. He seemed to be in his normal role player mode and was heavily defended. While he didn’t impress me you don’t know what the Pacers were trying to see from him.


Walker did take the lead scorer role as expected and he rebounded, assisted, and defended. He looked better than most opposing players. I don’t know if the Pacers saw what they wanted from him but we know they’re gonna work with him to get him ready for rotation minutes this season.


Furphy showcased his ability to flow in the offense, hustle, 3 point shot making, rebounding, and some defense. Definitely deserves a roster spot and was a worthwhile second round pick. G league will hopefully solidify his talents similar to how it has recently helped Sheppard and Walker. He might even get a few minutes with the Pacers later in the season due to his length and shooting. Overall he had the best Summer League of the team imho.


Enrique Freeman had bright spots and showed he needs at least a year of G League experience to develop his skills into becoming a more confident and controlled contributor. Was a pleasant surprise to see he played decent exhibiting many skills justifying his drafting. I think he deserves the 2 way contract he has been given.


Newton by the 5th SL game showed more potential playing better each game. I can’t see him being considered for a roster spot. I do believe that he earned a 2 way contract based on potential and the jettisoning of Isiah Wong earlier. Definitely needs time to develop in the G league.


Tshiebwe I feel was solid in rebounding and scoring when the opportunity arose. I’m not certain if his defense improved. I think the Pacers were looking for growth there. I’m torn on whether he should be on the roster if K Brown is released. I definitely think they do another year of developing him and a 2 way contract would be ok.


Q Jackson started in the first game and was out of control and disappointing running the offense. I heard he was a combo guard and the Pacers were seeing if he could run the point. As the 5 game schedule progressed so did his performance Athletic talent was on display and he shot well and hustled. He definitely isn’t a roster candidate for me. I’m torn on whether he deserves a 2 way with the Pacers due to his style of play fitting our system. I think he could fit with another team and needs more G league development. I wouldn’t be against him but not sure if he can beat out Newton.


Kendall Brown hasn’t done enough to solidify a roster spot imho. Looks like the same undisciplined one speed guy racing up and down the court. Sometimes he makes a layup as he excels in getting to the rim. However he turns it over or throws a pass surprising his teammates disrupting the offensive flow too much. He does deflect some passes, blocks shots, and rebounds, but I don’t see enough consistency.
I expected to see a much better player because of the Mad Ant box scores I saw last season once Sheppard was promoted leaving Brown,Wong, Q Jax, Walker, and Tshiebwe as the main players. I understand that he was drafted very young and was a lengthy development player chosen late in the draft after just 1 season at Baylor. I can’t justify a roster spot and think it’s time to part ways.

In summary as I said before the Pacers have rotations with 10 established players and this season have Walker, Wiseman and possibly Furphy to add into the mix for minutes. The only other person I could see getting minutes is if they sign a veteran minimum player whose play warrants time on the court.

So this Summer league was basically a fact finding mission for the front office and coaches to see their young talent in action against similar competition. To me it was obvious (excluding Walker and Sheppard) the SL Pacers wouldn’t produce any players breaking into the big club’s rotation minutes due to the draft choices or lack there of recently.

Speaking of draft picks next draft Pacers have their own first and second round picks. They also have a Miami protected 2nd and a Charlotte protected 2nd round pick. I don’t see anything listed for 2026. :o
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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#88 » by Wizop » Sun Jul 21, 2024 2:26 am

I think Brown makes the initial roster because his early guarantee is only 250k. That decision can be reevaluated in January when a bigger guarantee kicks in.

I agree that Q is a two and I don't see a need for one at 15. I expected more from Newton but he did get better. The best PG prospect I saw today was on South Sudan.
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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#89 » by JMaster5K » Tue Jul 23, 2024 8:23 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
Wizop wrote:I'm not impressed with Q either. I'm leaning toward Newton, Freeman, and OT on two-ways and signing JJ.


By JJ I assume you mean James Johnson, he's 37 and rarely plays why not just hire him as coach and use the roster spot on a young guy or leave it open in case someone happens along.


I don't normally watch Draymond's podcast,... in fact, I try to avoid it, but he had an interview with Jeff Teague where they talked about the Pacers, specifically JJ.

JT talked about being at Wake Forest with JJ, and actually seeing with his own eyes JJ's martial arts skills in use. (side note:
He told a funny story about JJ setting up a professional fight on a weekend & missing practice for it, because he needed the cash as a strapped college student.) Draymond admitted that he did not want any of that smoke. Basically said that no one in the NBA wants any of that smoke,... no matter how bad they think they are,... they will all think twice before trying JJ.

(JT also said that he was the nicest guy on the planet,... that he would do anything for his teammates or his friends. The kind of guy you want to be around, just because it's fun to be around him.)

Then Draymond made some really inciteful observations about the Pacers having JJ,.... He basically said that every team needs an enforcer,... someone that the other players KNOW has their back & will be there if things turn ugly. That it allows the guys playing to play 'free', to play with that little bit of extra confidence without having to think of things other than basketball, without feeling like they have to look over their shoulder & overthink being careful when things get chippy or physical (particularly in the playoffs)

I hadn't really thought of it in those terms,... but the team did play better with more freedom, once JJ was back on the roster last year.
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Re: 2024 Pacers Summer League 

Post#90 » by Grang33r » Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:01 am

Quick thoughts on Freeman. I thought he was everything they said he was at the draft. Raw, lots to work on, work in progress... high compete level, energy guy, rebounder, effort guy.

These types of kids i'd always want on my team. His defense needs help, he was getting blown by guys, and his shot was awful. 60% from the field and he didn't take many far shots and 46% from the free throw line. But shooting and defensive understanding can be worked on with good coaching and player development. The effort, compete level, you either got it, or you don't. And this kid has it. He was impressive potential imo.
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