Jarace Walker potential?

[JMaster5K]

I thought he was poor tonight.

Yeah,.. I agree. Not really sure what to think at the moment. I really don't expect him to start making a difference until next year, based on what he had to do coming in? We also heard the comments early in the summer about his motivation & desire limiting his success? But,... if he was going to make a difference next year, I would expect him to start earning Coach's confidence and minutes this year? It's only 1 game,... and only 6 minutes,... we are deep at his position,.. but if he has the best ceiling in the group, then maybe he should be earning more than 6 minutes? Gonna be an important season for Mr. Walker.

[Wizop]

I thought he was poor tonight.

Sheppard took his minutes in the second half. whether that was performance based or planned is TBD. in any event, Mathurin got starters minutes off the bench and earned them.

[Grang33r]

I thought he was poor tonight.

Sheppard took his minutes in the second half. whether that was performance based or planned is TBD. in any event, Mathurin got starters minutes off the bench and earned them.

I was surprised Sheppard was the odd man out so early on because every time i hear coach Carlisle talk about him, he only raves. Recently he praised what a competitor he is and what toughness he brings the defense. If he can be a lethal 3-pt shooting he can really be a key contributor imo.

[Jay81]

Taking Walker over Bilal is a franchise crushing move

[JMaster5K]

Taking Walker over Bilal is a franchise crushing move

I gotta admit,... I was happy when we drafted Coulibaly. Would have been happy to keep him, over moving him for Walker. I mean no offense,.. but I hope,... really hope, that 'franchise crushing' turn out to be a bit of an overstatement,.. LOL (please,.. please,....)

[8305]

Jarace got 3 minutes in Atlanta Saturday (he was -13 in those minutes) and tonight Furphy hit the floor first. Have to wonder if Rick is done with him? At least for this year. Does he have the consistent motor needed for what the Pacers need him to be? Pacers are usually patient to a fault with the few high draft picks we’ve had over the years.

[Wizop]

Jarace got 3 minutes in Atlanta Saturday (he was -13 in those minutes) and tonight Furphy hit the floor first. Have to wonder if Rick is done with him? At least for this year. Does he have the consistent motor needed for what the Pacers need him to be? Pacers are usually patient to a fault with the few high draft picks we’ve had over the years.

I gave up at halftime and watched colts podcasts but I wouldn't read too much into tonight. Garbage time came early.

[JMaster5K]

Jarace got 3 minutes in Atlanta Saturday (he was -13 in those minutes) and tonight Furphy hit the floor first. Have to wonder if Rick is done with him? At least for this year. Does he have the consistent motor needed for what the Pacers need him to be? Pacers are usually patient to a fault with the few high draft picks we’ve had over the years.

I gave up at halftime and watched colts podcasts but I wouldn't read too much into tonight. Garbage time came early.

In the Bulls coverage, even the Indystar coverage had to admit that Coach was having to extend his rotations & limit his playing time because of a back-to-back-to-back,.. with the 3rd game the Bucks. NOT an ideal schedule, particularly this late in the season. As another poster commented in another thread,... our record in the second game of back-to-backs is abyssmal. Even less confident of a 3rd game in 3, with Tyrese likely out?......

Unfortunately for us,... this week (and how it plays into the next couple) could define how we go into the playoffs & homecourt for the first round.

Though, Jarace did seem to play a bit better against the Bulls than the Hawks,... 14 minutes, +6,... but it still didn't look like a 'more than a rotation player' stat line? Was his defense better against the Bulls?

[8305]

If you packaged Jarace and Pacers 2025 first how many slots could Pacers move up in this draft?

[Pacers Forever]

Jarace got 3 minutes in Atlanta Saturday (he was -13 in those minutes) and tonight Furphy hit the floor first. Have to wonder if Rick is done with him? At least for this year. Does he have the consistent motor needed for what the Pacers need him to be? Pacers are usually patient to a fault with the few high draft picks we’ve had over the years.

I gave up at halftime and watched colts podcasts but I wouldn't read too much into tonight. Garbage time came early.

In the Bulls coverage, even the Indystar coverage had to admit that Coach was having to extend his rotations & limit his playing time because of a back-to-back-to-back,.. with the 3rd game the Bucks. NOT an ideal schedule, particularly this late in the season. As another poster commented in another thread,... our record in the second game of back-to-backs is abyssmal. Even less confident of a 3rd game in 3, with Tyrese likely out?......

Unfortunately for us,... this week (and how it plays into the next couple) could define how we go into the playoffs & homecourt for the first round.

Though, Jarace did seem to play a bit better against the Bulls than the Hawks,... 14 minutes, +6,... but it still didn't look like a 'more than a rotation player' stat line? Was his defense better against the Bulls?

I watched the entire Bulls game and the white flag came out early. Furphy impressed me with his hustle and ability to get rebounds with 8. His shot was way off.

Ray J Dennis hustles but is G league level.

I like Quenton Jackson’s quickness but as most of the G league players we bring up they’re much better in equal talent settings than in the NBA games. He went a dismal 2-8.

Tony Bradley actually looked good in 8 minutes of play. He went 3-3 for 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 block.

Jarace Walker looked like he was hustling among the subs on the floor but he didn’t stand out. He really looks like a player who if he’s not playing consistently he struggles to play well. I haven’t given up on him however he is not getting the opportunity to grow or impress in games. Not sure if he will be in the future plans.

[JMaster5K]

I gave up at halftime and watched colts podcasts but I wouldn't read too much into tonight. Garbage time came early.

In the Bulls coverage, even the Indystar coverage had to admit that Coach was having to extend his rotations & limit his playing time because of a back-to-back-to-back,.. with the 3rd game the Bucks. NOT an ideal schedule, particularly this late in the season. As another poster commented in another thread,... our record in the second game of back-to-backs is abyssmal. Even less confident of a 3rd game in 3, with Tyrese likely out?......

Unfortunately for us,... this week (and how it plays into the next couple) could define how we go into the playoffs & homecourt for the first round.

Though, Jarace did seem to play a bit better against the Bulls than the Hawks,... 14 minutes, +6,... but it still didn't look like a 'more than a rotation player' stat line? Was his defense better against the Bulls?

I watched the entire Bulls game and the white flag came out early. Furphy impressed me with his hustle and ability to get rebounds with 8. His shot was way off.

Ray J Dennis hustles but is G league level.

I like Quenton Jackson’s quickness but as most of the G league players we bring up they’re much better in equal talent settings than in the NBA games. He went a dismal 2-8.

Tony Bradley actually looked good in 8 minutes of play. He went 3-3 for 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 block.

Jarace Walker looked like he was hustling among the subs on the floor but he didn’t stand out. He really looks like a player who if he’s not playing consistently he struggles to play well. I haven’t given up on him however he is not getting the opportunity to grow or impress in games. Not sure if he will be in the future plans.

Thanks Mate, for your insight. Very much appreciated.

I made a comment, that in full disclosure I had to back away from a bit, just after training camp/summer league, when we drafted Jarace,... that I saw some Wayman Tisdale in him. Most of the replies to that comment were absolutely correct, and focused on his game, about how different his game is from Wayman. What I was trying to say wasn't about his game, but about his personality. That, like Wayman, he might be too nice a guy for NBA competition?

I was and still am really hoping to be wrong. But the more I see,... the more that comparison, in terms of personality & motivation, comes back to me. If you need a guy to put the team on his back, get a lead in the game, then stand on the other teams throat while you put the game away,... from what I've so far, that just isn't him.

Most explosive player on the team = yes, NBA level or better athlete - yes, most diverse & potentially impactful skillset = yes, most inexperienced & in need of growth = yes, most likely to develop a desire to dominate an opponent & win a game by 50 = no. He has the ability to be that player. He just doesn't seem to have that personality?

I do see moments where I think he might have some of that in him. I have to keep reminding myself,... this is only his second year in the league,... and he's only 21. How many people have we seen in the NBA, that don't really 'mature' as a player & make an impact until they are 23 or older, and they get a bigger opportunity?.... (Oladipo for example? Tyrese for example?)

[Pacers Forever]

In the Bulls coverage, even the Indystar coverage had to admit that Coach was having to extend his rotations & limit his playing time because of a back-to-back-to-back,.. with the 3rd game the Bucks. NOT an ideal schedule, particularly this late in the season. As another poster commented in another thread,... our record in the second game of back-to-backs is abyssmal. Even less confident of a 3rd game in 3, with Tyrese likely out?......

Unfortunately for us,... this week (and how it plays into the next couple) could define how we go into the playoffs & homecourt for the first round.

Though, Jarace did seem to play a bit better against the Bulls than the Hawks,... 14 minutes, +6,... but it still didn't look like a 'more than a rotation player' stat line? Was his defense better against the Bulls?

I watched the entire Bulls game and the white flag came out early. Furphy impressed me with his hustle and ability to get rebounds with 8. His shot was way off.

Ray J Dennis hustles but is G league level.

I like Quenton Jackson’s quickness but as most of the G league players we bring up they’re much better in equal talent settings than in the NBA games. He went a dismal 2-8.

Tony Bradley actually looked good in 8 minutes of play. He went 3-3 for 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 block.

Jarace Walker looked like he was hustling among the subs on the floor but he didn’t stand out. He really looks like a player who if he’s not playing consistently he struggles to play well. I haven’t given up on him however he is not getting the opportunity to grow or impress in games. Not sure if he will be in the future plans.

Thanks Mate, for your insight. Very much appreciated.

I made a comment, that in full disclosure I had to back away from a bit, just after training camp/summer league, when we drafted Jarace,... that I saw some Wayman Tisdale in him. Most of the replies to that comment were absolutely correct, and focused on his game, about how different his game is from Wayman. What I was trying to say wasn't about his game, but about his personality. That, like Wayman, he might be too nice a guy for NBA competition?

I was and still am really hoping to be wrong. But the more I see,... the more that comparison, in terms of personality & motivation, comes back to me. If you need a guy to put the team on his back, get a lead in the game, then stand on the other teams throat while you put the game away,... from what I've so far, that just isn't him.

Most explosive player on the team = yes, NBA level or better athlete - yes, most diverse & potentially impactful skillset = yes, most inexperienced & in need of growth = yes, most likely to develop a desire to dominate an opponent & win a game by 50 = no. He has the ability to be that player. He just doesn't seem to have that personality?

I do see moments where I think he might have some of that in him. I have to keep reminding myself,... this is only his second year in the league,... and he's only 21. How many people have we seen in the NBA, that don't really 'mature' as a player & make an impact until they are 23 or older, and they get a bigger opportunity?.... (Oladipo for example? Tyrese for example?)

The point you make about him only being a second year player was also lost on me because I believe that the Pacers playing their youth more than we’re once accustomed to makes you feel like our young players have been around longer than they actually have.

In that respect we can’t easily give up on Jarace and I will retract my comment and say he will be here to further develop unless he gets used in a multi player trade.

There’s definitely more room for development in his career. I don’t know if his demeanor and urgency can be tweaked to become a dog soon or if he’ll continue to be passive until the wake up call arrives. Maybe his development is on schedule due to his age and we as fans just want more faster. He shows his passion for the game in bench photos and his talent in his G League appearances.

I hope he someday turns into a player who can shoot as well as Mathurin, a playmaker with Haliburton’s passing and court vision skills, a dogged defender like Nesmith, and the drive and rebounding skills like Siakam. Yeah I don’t want much.

[JMaster5K]

I watched the entire Bulls game and the white flag came out early. Furphy impressed me with his hustle and ability to get rebounds with 8. His shot was way off.

Ray J Dennis hustles but is G league level.

I like Quenton Jackson’s quickness but as most of the G league players we bring up they’re much better in equal talent settings than in the NBA games. He went a dismal 2-8.

Tony Bradley actually looked good in 8 minutes of play. He went 3-3 for 6 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 block.

Jarace Walker looked like he was hustling among the subs on the floor but he didn’t stand out. He really looks like a player who if he’s not playing consistently he struggles to play well. I haven’t given up on him however he is not getting the opportunity to grow or impress in games. Not sure if he will be in the future plans.

Thanks Mate, for your insight. Very much appreciated.

I made a comment, that in full disclosure I had to back away from a bit, just after training camp/summer league, when we drafted Jarace,... that I saw some Wayman Tisdale in him. Most of the replies to that comment were absolutely correct, and focused on his game, about how different his game is from Wayman. What I was trying to say wasn't about his game, but about his personality. That, like Wayman, he might be too nice a guy for NBA competition?

I was and still am really hoping to be wrong. But the more I see,... the more that comparison, in terms of personality & motivation, comes back to me. If you need a guy to put the team on his back, get a lead in the game, then stand on the other teams throat while you put the game away,... from what I've so far, that just isn't him.

Most explosive player on the team = yes, NBA level or better athlete - yes, most diverse & potentially impactful skillset = yes, most inexperienced & in need of growth = yes, most likely to develop a desire to dominate an opponent & win a game by 50 = no. He has the ability to be that player. He just doesn't seem to have that personality?

I do see moments where I think he might have some of that in him. I have to keep reminding myself,... this is only his second year in the league,... and he's only 21. How many people have we seen in the NBA, that don't really 'mature' as a player & make an impact until they are 23 or older, and they get a bigger opportunity?.... (Oladipo for example? Tyrese for example?)

The point you make about him only being a second year player was also lost on me because I believe that the Pacers playing their youth more than we’re once accustomed to makes you feel like our young players have been around longer than they actually have.

In that respect we can’t easily give up on Jarace and I will retract my comment and say he will be here to further develop unless he gets used in a multi player trade.

There’s definitely more room for development in his career. I don’t know if his demeanor and urgency can be tweaked to become a dog soon or if he’ll continue to be passive until the wake up call arrives. Maybe his development is on schedule due to his age and we as fans just want more faster. He shows his passion for the game in bench photos and his talent in his G League appearances.

I hope he someday turns into a player who can shoot as well as Mathurin, a playmaker with Haliburton’s passing and court vision skills, a dogged defender like Nesmith, and the drive and rebounding skills like Siakam. Yeah I don’t want much.

I think your last paragraph may have hit the nail on the head! Jarace for all he is, or is not, has shown the skills and abilities that doing everything you mentioned is possible, no matter how unlikely. Show me 1 other Pacer for whom all of that is actually possible? . o0

[Pacers Forever]

Thanks Mate, for your insight. Very much appreciated.

I made a comment, that in full disclosure I had to back away from a bit, just after training camp/summer league, when we drafted Jarace,... that I saw some Wayman Tisdale in him. Most of the replies to that comment were absolutely correct, and focused on his game, about how different his game is from Wayman. What I was trying to say wasn't about his game, but about his personality. That, like Wayman, he might be too nice a guy for NBA competition?

I was and still am really hoping to be wrong. But the more I see,... the more that comparison, in terms of personality & motivation, comes back to me. If you need a guy to put the team on his back, get a lead in the game, then stand on the other teams throat while you put the game away,... from what I've so far, that just isn't him.

Most explosive player on the team = yes, NBA level or better athlete - yes, most diverse & potentially impactful skillset = yes, most inexperienced & in need of growth = yes, most likely to develop a desire to dominate an opponent & win a game by 50 = no. He has the ability to be that player. He just doesn't seem to have that personality?

I do see moments where I think he might have some of that in him. I have to keep reminding myself,... this is only his second year in the league,... and he's only 21. How many people have we seen in the NBA, that don't really 'mature' as a player & make an impact until they are 23 or older, and they get a bigger opportunity?.... (Oladipo for example? Tyrese for example?)

The point you make about him only being a second year player was also lost on me because I believe that the Pacers playing their youth more than we’re once accustomed to makes you feel like our young players have been around longer than they actually have.

In that respect we can’t easily give up on Jarace and I will retract my comment and say he will be here to further develop unless he gets used in a multi player trade.

There’s definitely more room for development in his career. I don’t know if his demeanor and urgency can be tweaked to become a dog soon or if he’ll continue to be passive until the wake up call arrives. Maybe his development is on schedule due to his age and we as fans just want more faster. He shows his passion for the game in bench photos and his talent in his G League appearances.

I hope he someday turns into a player who can shoot as well as Mathurin, a playmaker with Haliburton’s passing and court vision skills, a dogged defender like Nesmith, and the drive and rebounding skills like Siakam. Yeah I don’t want much.

I think your last paragraph may have hit the nail on the head! Jarace for all he is, or is not, has shown the skills and abilities that doing everything you mentioned is possible, no matter how unlikely. Show me 1 other Pacer for whom all of that is actually possible? . o0

My last paragraph shows that we really don’t know how many or which attributes will become his best skills that define his NBA career since he’s still young and developing.