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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#261 » by JMaster5K » Fri Apr 11, 2025 6:31 pm

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Scoot McGroot wrote:I couod see an argument for a bench PG that plays with pace and maybe McConnell on the move?


I like what I've seen of RJ and I have a small hope for another Nembhard on a two-way next season,

but I think a lot depends upon how we do in the Playoffs. the further we get, the more likely it is that we pay the price to bring the whole gang back.


I like your reasoning,... Let's just win the darn thing this year! then we can let the chips fall where they may in the offseason?..... :D
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#262 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:33 pm

Jake Fischer wrote yesterday that Sacramento is looking to trade into this 1st round and thinks they can get as high as the early to mid 20’s. Which sounds exactly like Indy at 23? They could send their “2027 lesser of Sacramento and San Antonio 1sts”, which would help Indy reset their Stepien Rules restrictions just as if Indy got a 2026 1st. :dontknow:
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#263 » by Wizop » Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:07 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Jake Fischer wrote yesterday that Sacramento is looking to trade into this 1st round and thinks they can get as high as the early to mid 20’s. Which sounds exactly like Indy at 23? They could send their “2027 lesser of Sacramento and San Antonio 1sts”, which would help Indy reset their Stepien Rules restrictions just as if Indy got a 2026 1st. :dontknow:


I can see us dangling Benn to move up for Maluach or Sorber and wonder if we'd have to include the 23 too.
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#264 » by 8305 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:12 pm

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Scoot McGroot wrote:Jake Fischer wrote yesterday that Sacramento is looking to trade into this 1st round and thinks they can get as high as the early to mid 20’s. Which sounds exactly like Indy at 23? They could send their “2027 lesser of Sacramento and San Antonio 1sts”, which would help Indy reset their Stepien Rules restrictions just as if Indy got a 2026 1st. :dontknow:


I can see us dangling Benn to move up for Maluach or Sorber and wonder if we'd have to include the 23 too.

Would we really use Benn to move up in the draft to take a backup center? Or, take a bigger swing ala Antonio for the pick that us gave Jonathon Bender? Anyone see a sleeper big swing candidate? Cedrick Coward?
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#265 » by Wizop » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:24 pm

8305 wrote:Anyone see a sleeper big swing candidate?


Purdue's Goldin in the late second?
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Post#266 » by 8305 » Sat Jun 14, 2025 6:40 pm

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8305 wrote:Anyone see a sleeper big swing candidate?


Purdue's Goldin in the late second?

Michigan?
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Post#267 » by Wizop » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:03 pm

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8305 wrote:Anyone see a sleeper big swing candidate?


Purdue's Goldin in the late second?

Michigan?


oops, yes Michigan
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Post#268 » by Wizop » Sun Jun 15, 2025 4:16 pm

Memphis got a lot of picks for Bane. Is the deal official immediately? If not, KP is good at sneaking into deals.
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Post#269 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:08 pm

Wizop wrote:Memphis got a lot of picks for Bane. Is the deal official immediately? If not, KP is good at sneaking into deals.


I would assume that the deal is done soon, as it only works with this years salary numbers. And, Indy can’t conduct any deals until the day after their season is over.
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Post#270 » by Wizop » Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:15 pm

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Wizop wrote:Memphis got a lot of picks for Bane. Is the deal official immediately? If not, KP is good at sneaking into deals.


I would assume that the deal is done soon, as it only works with this years salary numbers. And, Indy can’t conduct any deals until the day after their season is over.


I knew we couldn't deal until after the finals which is why I wondered if this deal was official.
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#271 » by JMaster5K » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:28 am

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Wizop wrote:
Purdue's Goldin in the late second?

Michigan?


oops, yes Michigan


We've talked about Beringer,... IMO, a few guys with high upsides that could currently be under-rated, or a couple of 'boom or bust' guys that could put it all together?

IMO,... I see Fleming & Thiero right now as underrated, at least on mocks?... Both are excellent defenders, who's skills should translate, and they both come from switch heavy, more NBA styled defenses. Neither is a 'wow you', above the rim player, but both are really long, with above average NBA quickness & body control. The kind of guys that don't put up huge stat lines, but really impact winning, & could start as early as their 2nd year as key role players?

In that vein,... I think Carter Bryant is a bit underrated,... He's dropped recently into the late lottery, post-lottery,... IMO, He's a sorta 7 - 10 player in this draft. If he were to somehow,... miraculously fall into the late teens or 20's, I'd grab him. (That isn't going to happen.)

As well as a couple of internationals,... Ben Saraf, Hugo Gonzalez, Markovic?... All are 'ranked' in the late first, early second, but have real NBA athleticism & skills. They make take a bit of time to adjust to the NBA, but shouldn't end up with a career at the end of a bench?

For us?... I'll stick with my other posts,... I like Yanic Konan Niederhauser,.... He's got Hakeem Olajuwon athleticism, with sorta 90% Christian Koloko level skills. Not been playing that long, & has made huge improvements over the last year. He could be just too old & unable to pick up the level of skill & nuances of playing in the NBA, or he could stay on his learning curve and develop into a top 50 player in the league. Right now, there's no real trend on which way he could go,... but the upside could be worth it? (Boom or Bust - LOL)

Sion James, Javon Small, RJ Luis are all the kind of NBA level athletes that have (at least typically) been able to stick around for a season or 2, learn on the job, then suddenly & 'unexpectedly', become key parts to contenders rotations as their skills develop to something approaching an NBA level?

The one I just can't get my head around is Grant Nelson? definitely an NBA level athlete. Average verticality, but everything else is +, and his quickness could be elite,... at least for a 6'10" player. Had great stats 2 years ago,... transferred from ND state to Alabama, (which was questioned at the time, as 'Bama didn't match his skillset?) and has seemingly regressed a bit? (doesn't look overmatched? just looks like he doesn't fit?) He needs a 3 point shot, and is really more of the 3/4 than a 4/5 even at 230#,... again, he's an older potential draftee at 23, having played 5 years in College. If he put it all together as a defender & developed just a threat of the 3-pointer, could have a long career in the league? (neither of which is out the question,... but neither is particularly likely?)
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#272 » by Wizop » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:39 pm

I like Beringer but we may have to settle for Kalkbrenner, I think I'd consider trading up for Beringer particularly if the balance of the Finals goes poorly. Maluach would fit too but the price to trade up that far probably isn't worth paying. I think we could trade back and still get a Flemming.

I watched Sam's draft pod last night and they were high on Hugo Gonzalez in the low 20's. I won't throw things if we take Clayton as a BPA.
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Post#273 » by JMaster5K » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:27 pm

Wizop wrote:I like Beringer but we may have to settle for Kalkbrenner, I think I'd consider trading up for Beringer particularly if the balance of the Finals goes poorly. Maluach would fit too but the price to trade up that far probably isn't worth paying. I think we could trade back and still get a Flemming.

I watched Sam's draft pod last night and they were high on Hugo Gonzalez in the low 20's. I won't throw things if we take Clayton as a BPA.


I like Beringer more than I like Maluach,... I know the draftniks keep saying Maluach is 'quick & fluid',... but he was slower down the court than either Edey or Clingan from last year? He's way slower than Myles, & Myles sometimes has to cook it to get down court & stay in a play?

I would be happy if we got Fleming at 23. He wouldn't be a pure back up 5,... but he would be a 4/5 that is quick enough to switch down to 3's, and defend as well as Pascal. He hit almost 40% on his 3's last year. He isn't going to get his head at the rim like OB1,... but he's quicker.
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#274 » by Wizop » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:47 pm

JMaster5K wrote:I would be happy if we got Fleming at 23. He wouldn't be a pure back up 5,... but he would be a 4/5 that is quick enough to switch down to 3's, and defend as well as Pascal. He hit almost 40% on his 3's last year. He isn't going to get his head at the rim like OB1,... but he's quicker.


If the draft is giving us another Obi/Freeman rather than a backup 5, I'd try to trade back and pick up a 2026 first. I'd also consider a PG in the first and a project center in the 2nd.
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#275 » by JMaster5K » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:30 pm

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JMaster5K wrote:I would be happy if we got Fleming at 23. He wouldn't be a pure back up 5,... but he would be a 4/5 that is quick enough to switch down to 3's, and defend as well as Pascal. He hit almost 40% on his 3's last year. He isn't going to get his head at the rim like OB1,... but he's quicker.


If the draft is giving us another Obi/Freeman rather than a backup 5, I'd try to trade back and pick up a 2026 first. I'd also consider a PG in the first and a project center in the 2nd.


The reason I'd be happy with him,... he can guard big 3's as well. :D

So, we get a 'big wing' that can guard big wings,.....
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Post#276 » by Wizop » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:09 pm

JMaster5K wrote:The reason I'd be happy with him,... he can guard big 3's as well. :D

So, we get a 'big wing' that can guard big wings,.....


I hope Walker or Furphy can earn minutes in that role next year.
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Post#277 » by Wizop » Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:42 pm

Locked on Mock Draft Special has us taking a TJ successor in Richardson. They assume we'll lose TJ or Benn this summer or next. Surprisingly they have Sorber dropping to us and don't take him

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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#278 » by Pacersike » Yesterday 12:29 am

I'm surprised we miss opportunities (Bane) because we are still competing. American (trade) windows are no Germans cars.
Calling them Russian cars is too offensive.
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Post#279 » by Wizop » Yesterday 12:33 am

Pacersike wrote:I'm surprised we miss opportunities (Bane) because we are still competing. American (trade) windows are no Germans cars.
Calling them Russian cars is too offensive.


We wouldn't target Bane but if we lose the series I can see calling Memphis to send them a guard for a 2026 first.
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#280 » by Wizop » Yesterday 7:10 pm

Holinger on BlueSky

A shrewd little piece of off-day capology from Indy, swapping '25 first for '26 and thus opening roster spot, gaining a few $ in apron wiggle room, taking Stepien out of play on '27 pick, and unencumbering the '27 second from Utah and '28 second from Dallas. Can now trade four 1sts if they wished.
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