Pacers Talking O'Neal Trade With Several Teams?

[Rooster]

I love the idea of a Tinsley+JO package heading to Miami. The Heat would be back to their Rileyball roots and the Pacers would save a fortune.

Dallas needs a better SG but not Dunleavy of all people. They'd probably want Foster though.

[Edub]

i would love to move those bloated contracts in o'neal and tinsley for expiring deals, young talent in cook and a 1st rounder. all the players we are getting in the deal i proposed would fit obie's system too. davis and williams would excel in an up and down tempo game. we also would have two draft picks in this upcoming deep draft. it would be the perfect way for us to rebuild as well as keeping miami competive in the east as well as giving marion a reason to staying with the heat next season.

[joew8302]

HeatinOhio

I think you make a lot of sense with your logic. I know a lot of Pacer fans agree with you about O'Neal. The thing you have to remember though is that Indiana has had its hand forced in trades with Artest and Jackson lately and have not got near equal value. I think Larry Bird wants to trade Jermaine, but not get burnt like he has in the past, so he is trying to be extra cautious here.

I think Jeff Foster's value might be at a high right now as well. The entire Western Conference is going big. I would think a team like Dallas or Utah, which are now small compared to everyone else, would really like to add size and rebounding with Foster. Hopefully we can get one of those teams to get desperate and give up a lot.

[notque]

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Well of course, 99.9% chance nothing would ever happen anyway between the two teams. If you don't trade him, you've got a seemingly disgruntled player making 44 million the next two years. From a business owner's perspective, shedding 44 million in payouts for a team that's not in position to make a serious run, makes a lot of sense financially. Then there's also the other side of the equation.

Shedding JO's contract and not tendering Harrison the qualifying offer would put you very close to being able to sign a max contract free agent (like Arenas or Brand for example) in the offseason. Either way, I would be willing to bet Indiana's FO would consider expirings plus a future first. I seriously doubt Riley would give up a top 5 pick in what appears to be a very loaded draft class. Whatever happens, good luck.

But who cares about signing a free agent? We have O'Neal. Same difference, and he's a big which is much rarer.

And it's going to be hard to get a big to even sign with us. Anyone. Is Arenas going to want to run the Pacers?!

It's an absolutely silly issue. There's no way were are just getting expirings back unless top office decides they don't want to pay, and there's absolutely no indication of that.

[joshman]

how about jermaine oneal to orlando for battie, bogans,jj redick, carlos arroyo and rights to fran vazquez.

[Luv those Knicks]

I personally don't believe the NY/Indy rumors. Though, in the end, I believe Bird & Isiah would talk if it benefited both teams. I don't think a trade is impossible, but I think Bird will look elsewhere first and I believe that Dallas for example, is a much more likely trade partner.


but on the NY trade rumors. Isiah may be eager to move Zach, but I agree with you guys, that won't get it done. A lot of you guys have Zach all wrong. He's not still getting into trouble. He's been a model citizen and a well liked Teamate in NY and Zach is not fat. He looks fat cause he's got a fat face, but Zach has always been, and is still, in very good shape. The bottom line on Zach is he is a bit of a black hole. He'll sometimes shoot against a double team rather than pass out of it, but there are games when his passing is on. Zach can shoot from outside, out to the 3 pt line and he can rebound. His man to man defense is OK too. The drawback is that Zach's got terrible help defense and he doesn't jump. But Zach is better than his reputation, though he's not as good as his stats. Zach can score & rebound & play inside and outside, and he's not a "cancer" but he's not a great team player either.

But he's got a bad contract and his value is low - I don't see a Zach for JO trade. Curry maybe.

Our first round pick - unprotected - no way. Isiah's not going to go there.


anyway, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[HeatInOhio]

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But who cares about signing a free agent? We have O'Neal. Same difference, and he's a big which is much rarer.

I see what you're saying and normally I would agree however, O'Neal's name has been mentioned in trade talks off and on for what... 2 seasons now? There just has to be a fire there, even if its small, considering all the smoke you hear about his name for this long.

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It's an absolutely silly issue. There's no way were are just getting expirings back unless top office decides they don't want to pay, and there's absolutely no indication of that.

There's no specific indication I've seen but with the luxury tax, owners have shown tendancies to shed salary when their teams are not performing well and they're over the cap (sans the NY Knicks, but that is an entirely different animal). Big names get traded for cents on the dollar all the time and sometimes cap relief and future picks is all it takes. You never know... but like I said before, whatever happens w/ him, good luck.

[KoolMikeSkii]

Trade ID #4487367

what do you guys think of this? expirings and some decent contracts

[count55]

Trade ID #4487367

what do you guys think of this? expirings and some decent contracts

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.6 ppg, -2.5 rpg, and +2.0 apg.
Incoming Players
James Augustine
6-10 PF from Illinois
1.4 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.1 apg in 5.9 minutes
J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
3.6 ppg, 0.4 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.2 minutes
Pat Garrity
6-9 PF from Notre Dame
1.7 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 9.8 minutes
Carlos Arroyo
6-2 PG from Florida International
7.0 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 3.6 apg in 21.0 minutes
Tony Battie
6-11 PF / C from Texas Tech
No games yet played in 2007/08
Outgoing Players
Jermaine O'Neal
6-11 PF from Eau Claire (HS)
15.3 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.5 apg in 31.3 minutes

Here...posting the trade checker ID is a pain in the ass, so I'd ask that people actually post the content of the trade...it will help the conversation

In regards to the trade, 5-for-1 deals generally blow for the team getting the 5. The Pacers would have to cut at least three players either from this collection of crap or from their roster.

There are $8.5mm in expirings, but one could argue that since Arroyo (who has the $4 mm expiring) might be one of the (or the only) players the Pacers would want to keep, that it's only Garrity and Augustine that would be the real expirings, but then we'd be on the hook for Tony Battie for two years after this.

It's basically 10 cents on the dollar for JO, talentwise, and it doesn't do much, if anything for us financially.

We won't get value for JO when we deal him, but I would think we could do significantly better than this.

[KoolMikeSkii]

that makes sense i thought lowering your contracts on your bigs and giving up expirings would do it but that Miami deal is probably better for you guys

[notque]

But that's the thing, the deals don't make sense.

Listen. I understand what you guys are doing. We do it too. We are all looking for a bargain that will make our teams great by abusing the problems of another team.

But considering that we don't know if the Owners have given the fire sale signs (all indications are they haven't), then you can't assume it.

JO will continue to play for this squad until his contract is up, or we find a decent trade for him. His contract just isn't long enough for us to be concerned.

So I'd avoid sending us trade ideas with no value. We're not going to agree.

If you'd like to give us some value back for JO, then we'll honestly evaluate it.

[Jajwanda]

But that's the thing, the deals don't make sense.

Listen. I understand what you guys are doing. We do it too. We are all looking for a bargain that will make our teams great by abusing the problems of another team.

But considering that we don't know if the Owners have given the fire sale signs (all indications are they haven't), then you can't assume it.

JO will continue to play for this squad until his contract is up, or we find a decent trade for him. His contract just isn't long enough for us to be concerned.

So I'd avoid sending us trade ideas with no value. We're not going to agree.

If you'd like to give us some value back for JO, then we'll honestly evaluate it.

If i was a Pacer fan I'd honestly be praying almost for an offer like Ricky Davis, Jason Williams, Daequan Cook, Alonzo Mourning and a future say 2009 protected pick.

[Immure]

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If i was a Pacer fan I'd honestly be praying almost for an offer like Ricky Davis, Jason Williams, Daequan Cook, Alonzo Mourning and a future say 2009 protected pick.

Man that's way too much for JO. I'm sorry this isn't 2004 anymore. Trust if riley didn't throw in a pick to get marion, they sure as hell wouldn't for JO.

[Scoot McGroot]

In regards to the trade, 5-for-1 deals generally blow for the team getting the 5. The Pacers would have to cut at least three players either from this collection of crap or from their roster.

Just to clarify, we are NEVER allowed to go over 15 players on a roster, so we'd have to cut 3 guys from our roster before even making this trade so it would be legal. We'd have to cut Owens, Graham, and Harrison, and then if we want to keep them, we'd have to cut the new guys and hope to re-sign the guys we originally cut.

[Jajwanda]

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Man that's way too much for JO. I'm sorry this isn't 2004 anymore. Trust if riley didn't throw in a pick to get marion, they sure as hell wouldn't for JO.

Note the praying my friend.

A fair offer would be the two expirings, plus Cook.

[count55]

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Just to clarify, we are NEVER allowed to go over 15 players on a roster, so we'd have to cut 3 guys from our roster before even making this trade so it would be legal. We'd have to cut Owens, Graham, and Harrison, and then if we want to keep them, we'd have to cut the new guys and hope to re-sign the guys we originally cut.

Good point...I had not thought of that.