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IU: Sampson resigns in exchange for $750,000 buyout 

Post#1 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:21 am

Well, apparently tomorrow is the big day in the Kelvin Sampson saga at IU. Rumor is rampant that Sampson is either to be suspended with the intent to fire, or that he will resign and accept a buyout. Apparently, assistant Dan Dakich will take over on an interim basis.


On the NCAA forum here, I recently posted this in response to the question of who the next head coach at IU will be....
Scoot McGroot wrote:Pearl would be great. He's got a history at Southern Indiana, and our current rivalry with Illinois certainly wouldn't go away (see Deon Thomas and his recruiting scandal). Dan Dakich (formerly of Bowling Green) will (likely) take over as the interim coach and if we finish strong, will get a strong look as permanent coach.

Steve Alford will always be mentioned, but I think his lineage with Bob Knight will ultimately hurt him, and not help him, in his interview for the job. His lack of success at a Big 10 program will also hurt him, though I'm sure he could recruit at Indiana a lot better than he did at Iowa. Hell, he probably wouldn't have to leave the state for the next 3 years.

Ray McCallum (on the staff currently) could get another look. He's got experience at Ball State and Houston. He rode Bonzi Wells to success at Ball State and suffered at Houston. However, the fact that he was on the staff that committed the violations could go against him. However, the fact that his son is likely to be a high 4*/5* recruit in 2010 could go in his favor (he wants to play for his dad as well).

Scott Skiles and Lawrence Frank will probably be mentioned. They each have a history either in the state (Skiles dominated Indiana high school basketball years ago) or at IU (Frank was a team manager at IU), but I think IU would rather go with a guy with college head coaching experience which both lack.

Brad Brownell of Wright State and Sean Miller of Xavier either have attachments to Indiana (Brownell is from Evansville) and Miller has apparently received rave reviews from AD Rick Greenspan at IU after knocking off IU this year and in admiration of his career thus far at Xavier. Both could be the type of mid-major coach to make the leap that could interest IU and they both recruit the midwest already.

Kevin Stallings apparently has connections to Rick Greenspan as well, but he played and later coached at Purdue. While former female basketball coach Sharon Versyp played at Purdue, coached at IU, and succeeded, I just can't see Greenspan dipping into the Purdue pipeline to lead IU. However, Stallings and John Beilein were the finalists when Sampson was hired, but the fact he was a Purdue guy hurt him and Beilein's buyout was what kept him from being the current head coach at IU.

Two very unlikely, but somewhat possible candidates could be Brad Stevens of Butler and Ron Hunter of IUPUI. Stevens would likely stay at Butler and while doing great so far there, is still untested. Hunter has completely built the IUPUI program into a contender in their conference, is beloved by Indiana high school coaches, is trusted by his players and recruits, and coaches with passion while being a very honorable man.


I'm sure many other names like Rick Pitino, Mark Few, and John Calipari may come up, but as last time, it'll probably just be so that they can get either facility upgrades or pay raises from their current schools.


Tom Crean would be a dream hire if he could be convinced to leave Marquette. His recruiting ability in the midwest is extremely strong, and he's completely rebuilt Marquette into a consistently strong team year in and year out. However, I doubt he'd be willing to leave since he already has strong facilities and a great contract.


The IU job will depend tremendously on what punishment IU receives from the NCAA in the Sampson violations. We have a great new practice facility that should be ready for next season, and then Assembly Hall is either to be renovated or bulldozed and rebuilt. We have a great history, although our last national championship is now getting further and further in the past. We have a great recruiting bed to raid here in-state and we're a basketball first school. The job could be great, but NCAA sanctions could really hurt the image of the job.




So, what are your thoughts on the subject?
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Post#2 » by cdash » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:09 am

cdash wrote:I dont think the sanctions will have a great impact on the desirability of the job. Since we are likely to reprimand Sampson ourselves by relieving him of his coaching duties, the NCAA will see that as action and lessen the penalties on the school. I think getting rid of his whole staff at seasons end would be a good sign that we want to cleanse ourselves of the situation. Thats why I dont think even if Dakich takes us deep in the tournament that he will get much consideration for the job. I know he wasnt listed on the report, but still. Basically, at worst, I think we will lose a few scholarships, be put on probation, and Sampson will have a "just cause" (or whatever its called) stamped on him for future coaching positions. Its possible that we could get a postseason ban, but I doubt it.



I firmly disagree with your first statement here. We hired Sampson with sanctions on him already in place, put firmer sanctions on him after he violated them, and then he violated more rules and lied to the NCAA. No matter what IU does, we still face a heavy possibility of recruiting sanctions, practice time sanctions, scheduling sanctions, postseason sanctions, etc. These can all certainly turn a coach away from a job knowing that he might not be able to bring in the kids he wants, he won't be able to compete in the tournament, or he might not be able to hire or schedule as he wishes. It's turned a lot of coaches away from other jobs and could keep a guy away from his "dream job".



Dakich was not at IU during any of these violations. He was the Director of basketball operations when Sampson lied to NCAA investigators. He's clean on this whole issue which is why he would likely be the interim coach, not Ray McCallum as the players want.



And yeah, there is talk that the players might boycott the rest of the season. Apparently, they'll do whatever DJ White will do, but they want McCallum to be the interim coach, not Dakich.
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Post#3 » by Grang33r » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:09 pm

Great post.

I'm listening to radio right now and they said if Sampson is suspended or fired, theres several players that will walk. Is this true????
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Post#4 » by PacerGuy » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:13 pm

As for canidates, just a few quick thoughts:
-B.Pearl: Doubt he leaves (but should ask), his energy would be great to have, !
-T.Cream: I'd love this, great guy, young, solid basketball guy.
-S.Miller: Most likely (IMO), Hot name, close to home for recruiting, young.
-S.Drew: Hot name, I like what he's done, don't know much more on him.
-M.Few: Like him a lot, but recruiting away from home...not sure of.
-S.Skiles: NBA guy (IMO), not sure 24/7-365 job + recruiting is his thing.
-S.Alford: Iowa killed him (IMO), needs to show something again somewhere else.
-J.Calipari: Not sure he wants to be just another fish in the Big Ten pond
-R.Patino: Some say had interest last time, I just don't see it.
-D.Dakich: No real past success on his side, program ties not enough (IMO).
-L.Frank: Think he is an NBA guy now, not sure I'd go there.

2 others not mentioned:
-T.Izzo: Kravitz (950AM) said he would have interest :roll: , I think BK is high!
-T.Mota: Ties here, no Oden keeping him, Football #1 there, his "Drean job".

"Realisticly", I'd go like this (Top 5):
:pray: : Mota/ Pearl/ Cream/ Miller/ Drew : :pray:

As for Sampson/ IU:
I personally think IU is making the best move for the future of the program (though likely hurts t/y's team) by acting pro-actively w/ this. I've heard the NCAA was a bit annoyed when we let the other assistant go & tried to blame most of things on him & thought that that would be enough. Not sure I agree w/ Greenspan staying, as I think a total purge sends a bigger & better message (+ some think he carries ill feelings of him from his days w/ Army), but since he headed the investigation, I think he skates. Sounds like Greenspan has thrown Hilbert under the bus for the Sampson hire, & it has worked for him.
IMO, it will be a "suspention pending termination" or a TLA, unless we buy him out. Not sure what his contract read w/ regards to "violations", but I would have to assume IU addressed that in his contract.
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Post#5 » by revprodeji » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:32 pm

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/40837

Word at Indiana is that the Hoosiers might be willing to offer Minnesota Timberwolves coach Randy Wittman $10 million over five years to return to his alma mater. Wittman has two years left on his Wolves contract, but the second year is his option, not the team's.
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Post#6 » by bballpacen » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:08 pm

IMO, it is all but certainty that Sampson will be gone. It is unfortunate that he ruined this chance, and I will be sorry to see him go, b/c he is a good coach. But IU basketball is a religion, and when that is smeared, there is no other choice but to let him go. I think that IU and Sampson will come to an agreement and part ways. The program will suffer starting next year. DD will be the interim coach. My favorite possible coaching candidate is Dane Fife... He has not had much experience obviously, but he is has incredible basketball smarts, is young, and will be able to run this program for many, many years.
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Post#7 » by PacerGuy » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:30 am

Incase anyone missed it: K.Sampson has been "bought out" / "resigned" ($750,000 - $550,000 from an "anonymous donor"). He will not sue for wrongful termination as part of the deal.
Press Comferance was on WTHR: Greenspan is an A-hole. No word if all players will play tomorrow as many miss afternoon practice (including DJ - Though EG was there). still rumors some may boycott. Hopefully emotions dont force these kids into a very bad decission - esp. DJ who's stock would surely be hurt as POY & in the eyes of the NBA. Surely he wont blow that, & a chance of a Big Ten title all over Sampson.....
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Post#8 » by fdefore » Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:04 am

I think B10 POY or not, DJ is a second round pick. Mind you, I'm not saying he is that type of player but I think early second round is where he'll go because he's a tweener (like a Ryan Gomes or Leon Powe or Malik Rose) and relies more on being bigger to score and such. His rebounding has improve but tweeners like that usually find a home in that part of the draft unless a team gets sweet on him like Charlotte did with Jared Dudley (but that type of stuff wouldn't happen until rookie camps).
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Post#9 » by cdash » Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:15 am

Yeah, I agree fdefore. He is just too small and too injury prone to be a first rounder. He will have a place in the NBA because he plays with a ton of heart and is a great locker room guy, but to expect him to be more than a solid rotation guy is pushing it.

By the way, I dont know if I just have a personal vendetta against him, but I really, really hate Pat Forde at ESPN.com. He has been ripping the state of Indiana for years. A few years back he wrote a huge article on how overrated the state was in basketball, and how at all levels it was bad. He dogged on high school ball, the college programs, and the Pacers to boot (I think this was actually last year when the Pacers began their downswing). His latest article just rubs me the wrong way. From what I have gathered of him, he is extraordinarily fond of himself. There is my rant.
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Post#10 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:44 pm

Forde is an unabashed lover of all things related to the University of Kentucky. He might've even played basketball there.

However, recently, I've actually agreed with him for the most part. He's pretty spot on that this is simply embarrassing for IU and also for Kelvin Sampson.
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Post#11 » by cdash » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:53 pm

You got that impression with him too, eh? I always thought he had Wildcat tendencies.

Yeah it is embarrassing, but that latest article about how the administration is terrible and handled it in the worst possible way...I mean come on. Is there any good way to handle a situation like this? He sits there and criticizes, but it is not like he is offering any better solutions.
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Post#12 » by PacerGuy » Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:54 pm

cdash wrote:You got that impression with him too, eh? I always thought he had Wildcat tendencies.

Yeah it is embarrassing, but that latest article about how the administration is terrible and handled it in the worst possible way...I mean come on. Is there any good way to handle a situation like this? He sits there and criticizes, but it is not like he is offering any better solutions.


IU "created" a "No Tolerance" policy to rid themselves og Knight. Then they hire a coach w/ NCAA issues just a few yrs later. Then, when their own report shows he violated terms of his hiring, they should have instituted the "No Tolerance" policy & let KS go right then & there!
Instead, IU: 1.) Did not want to hurt their season (& recruiting) when their investigation unvieled the first signs of trouble this summer, so they did nothing; 2.) they hoped the infractions would be seen as "minor", & hoped they would "skate" on the whole matter (IMO).
I still can not understand why they kept pushing him to "resign" when they seemingly had Everything they needed to let his go w/ cause - it's in his contract! Past history (Ohio St., UNLV) or not, they had more in their corner then in those cases, & would have scored big w/ setting & upholding the highest standards - but then again they kinda threw all that away when they hired a known violater in the first place.....
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Post#13 » by cdash » Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:49 pm

PacerGuy wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



IU "created" a "No Tolerance" policy to rid themselves og Knight. Then they hire a coach w/ NCAA issues just a few yrs later. Then, when their own report shows he violated terms of his hiring, they should have instituted the "No Tolerance" policy & let KS go right then & there!
Instead, IU: 1.) Did not want to hurt their season (& recruiting) when their investigation unvieled the first signs of trouble this summer, so they did nothing; 2.) they hoped the infractions would be seen as "minor", & hoped they would "skate" on the whole matter (IMO).
I still can not understand why they kept pushing him to "resign" when they seemingly had Everything they needed to let his go w/ cause - it's in his contract! Past history (Ohio St., UNLV) or not, they had more in their corner then in those cases, & would have scored big w/ setting & upholding the highest standards - but then again they kinda threw all that away when they hired a known violater in the first place.....


I take a number of issues with this post. The first being that the "zero tolerance" policy was for Bobby Knight. That wasnt a university wide zero tolerance on anything policy. Knight had overstepped his bounds a lot and they have him his last chance and he violated it. It had nothing to do Kelvin Sampson or any other sports program on the campus. Second, the previous administration at IU implemented that policy on Knight. Myles Brand was the president of IU at the time, then he took off to head up the NCAA, then we had Adam Herbert (who word has it is the one who wanted Sampson). Herbert was run out of office for a variety of reasons. So basically, that zero tolerance policy has nothing to do with this.

They did do something when their investigation turned up evidence of wrongdoing. They alerted the NCAA, gave them their report, basically fined Sampson $500,000, and took away a scholarship. So its not like they tried to hide the situation. The issue with what IU turned up and what the NCAA turned up is that Sampson lied to university investigators, and that may be where IU should have pressed on. The NCAA dug a little deeper and found there was more to the story. Had nothing else been found, they would have been "minor" infractions and this would be a non-issue.

They kept pushing him to resign, obviously, because they just saw Ohio State pay millions of dollars to O'Brien and Washington pay millions to Rick Neuheisel for wrongful terminations. Yeah, they had it in there, but if he resigns and takes the buyout (like he did) that saves IU a possible lawsuit, legal fees, and the mess dragging on longer than it has to.

I agree that IU had it coming for hiring him in the first place, but the current administration here kind of fell into the situation more than anything. Greenspan deserves a lot of the blame, but again I keep hearing that Sampson wasnt on his initial short list of candidates, and that it was Herbert and a certain university trustee that wanted him here. Either way, we deserve penalties for hiring him, but lambasting the current administration for it isnt really fair.
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Post#14 » by PacerGuy » Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:55 pm

[quote="cdash"][/quote]
Nice post.
I would say the "zero tolerance" Should have been in place w/ Sampson due to the baggage - & his contract even alluded to that! That was my point. Had IU looked at this as a "second offence" as it should have, & a violation of his contract as they should have, they would have avoided all this.
But as you said, they now deserve what they get....
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Post#15 » by ajizzle » Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:16 am

Good post, cdash... We do deserve what we get, and I completely agree that this admin shouldn't get the total blame.

I've heard all week long from guys like Bilas and Gottlieb that IU is wrong for trying to get rid of him. They're morons when it comes to anything beyond Xs and Os. Sampson said that he was going to run a straight program, and he didn't. I like the guy, but he's gotta go.

Then Gottlieb says one of the dumbest things I've ever heard on sports talk radio. He said that the worst part of this whole fiasco wasn't about Sampson's reputation, or IU's rep, or even the players having to adjust mid-season (b/c "IU's not good enough to win it all..." as his main reason). He felt the worst for Sampson's wife, b/c she had decorated her new house all in IU colors and whatnot, and now she has to take it all down and start over... and he was serious. No offense to the Sampson family, but I just thought that was totally moronic and idiotic.
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Post#16 » by cdash » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:04 pm

Newsflash to Gottlieb: Oklahoma's colors are the same as IU's. Among other things, I am sure they have enough money to redecorate their house. I am not a huge fan of Gottlieb.

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