Basis for comparison....

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Well, for one thing, I have a belief that we can survive with Tins + Flip for another season. For another, I don't see us picking up a reasonably good point guard for our system that's an upgrade.

Agreed.

Outside of Bayless and Rose there just isn't a PG that is an upgrade over Tinsley.

I however don't want to draft another 3. I could live with Greene or Randolph because I feel they may be able to play 4 if they bulk up a little. But I mainly want to draft a true C. Jordon is wish, McGee is more likely. I don't see either of them making an immediate impact sadly, however I don't know that we need an immediate impact player next year, obviously it would be nice. But we barely missed the playoffs without JO and Tinsley for over half the year, a year improvement for Granger and Williams, plus hoping that JO and Tinsley can stay a little more healthy next year - which I expect from O'Neal, not Tinsley, then we are in the playoffs.

[cdash]

I like Tinsley, I think hes an above average point guard...when hes healthy. Thats the kicker though, he never, ever, ever is healthy. You cant rely on someone like him. Forget the fact that the fans hate him and his off the court issues are troubling for an organization trying to clean up their act. I dont think he is in a Pacers uniform next season. You listen to O'Brien's comments about him and its not exactly a ringing endorsement for Tins. Murray...not a point guard. He is a decent stopgap, but he chucks way too many crappy shots and is not an ideal starting point guard. Augustin is a really smart player, a really good leader on the court, he has a good shot, hes quick, hes not a sieve on defense...I dont see what people dont like about him. Sure, he got owned by Derrick Rose, but D Rose is going to do that to a lot of people. There are maybe two or three point guards in the NBA that are physical enough to punish Augustin and make him pay for his small stature.

[count55]

I like Tinsley, I think hes an above average point guard...when hes healthy. Thats the kicker though, he never, ever, ever is healthy. You cant rely on someone like him. Forget the fact that the fans hate him and his off the court issues are troubling for an organization trying to clean up their act. I dont think he is in a Pacers uniform next season. You listen to O'Brien's comments about him and its not exactly a ringing endorsement for Tins. Murray...not a point guard. He is a decent stopgap, but he chucks way too many crappy shots and is not an ideal starting point guard. Augustin is a really smart player, a really good leader on the court, he has a good shot, hes quick, hes not a sieve on defense...I dont see what people dont like about him. Sure, he got owned by Derrick Rose, but D Rose is going to do that to a lot of people. There are maybe two or three point guards in the NBA that are physical enough to punish Augustin and make him pay for his small stature.

I pretty much agree with this. Regardless of any other Tinsley issue, he simply cannot (or will not) stay on the court from a health perspective.

Yes, Augustin's size will play against him at times, but I think he will be a good PG at least on the offensive end. Is he exactly the guy I want? No, but I'd be pretty reasonably pleased taking a chance on his skills overcoming his size deficiencies (on balance).

[JarrettJackSG]

I guess thats pretty much fair, I suppose. I wouldn't necessarily be upset with an Augustin pick, but I still think we have better ways to address things right now.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

I'd really be let down if we drafted DJ, we really need a PG. I wouldn't mind trading Foster or someone to get him with a later pick, but not at 11. I have a feeling he will be abused by bigger guards in the NBA. If he had amazing athleticism to make up for his height and weight, then I would reconsider, but he really doesn't. He could pan out to be a good player, I'm not saying he is 100% going to suck, I just don't think he will be anything more than a bench player.

[ajizzle]

count55 wrote:

I'm a firm believer in the classic positions. By that, I mean our best teams had players at each position who, stylistically, personified the classic definition of that position:

PG - Mark Jackson
SG - Reggie Miller
SF - Chris Mullin, then Jalen Rose
PF - Dale Davis
C - Rik Smits

You know the funny thing, Mod55? I think that our team this year was quite similar to that lineup.

Jackson=Tinsley, Hoiberg=Diener, Best=Murray
Miller=Granger, Rose=Daniels, E. Johnson=Rush
Mullin=Dunleavy, McKey=Williams
Davis=O'Neal, Davis=Harrison
Smits=Murphy

Don't get me wrong, I'm not mistaking our current players for our late '90s teams, but you have to notice the similarities in build, style, and roles of some of those players. Of course, we never had anywhere near the injuries in the 90s that we've had recently, and those former players were much more experienced and better chemistry-wise.

I like Chalmers out of Kansas, but don't think he's close to worth a pick at 11. I wouldn't mind hometown hero Eric Gordon, but isn't Collison returning to UCLA? Mayo has too much baggage for me. I like Jordan at C, mainly b/c of his rebounding and shot-blocking. We should have enough scoring in Danny, Mike, and Troy. Just my 2 cents.

[PR07]

I don't think our team is that similar to the one we had in the late 90's.

Mark Jackson was much more dependable than Jamaal Tinsley has ever been.

Reggie was a #1 scorer, and I guy you could count on for the clutch shot. Granger is better defensively, but I wouldn't put him on Reggie's level as a consistent scorer just yet.

Rose was much better than Daniels. He's a much better scorer, you have to remember that when Rose was with the Pacers, he played at a near-All-Star level. Daniels hasn't even shown he can be a consistent 6th man.

I think Dunleavy is probably better than Mullin at the stages of their respective careers when Mullin was here. Dunleavy gives you more athleticism and better all-around scoring, but I'd still take Mullin from the outside.

Dale Davis was an enforcer in a time where life in the paint was tough. Jermaine O'Neal is a finesse big. He's better when he's healthy, but I think a hurt Jermaine and Dale Davis is about a wash.

Smits is better than Murphy. He's bigger and was a more consistent offensive option. If Murphy's 3 pt. shot is off, he's kind of worthless.

McKey was better defensively than Shawne Williams is, but Shawne's a better scorer. Opposite sides of the spectrum.

I'd take Antonio Davis anyday over Baby Huey Harrison.

Hoiberg=Diener
Best=Murray

are pretty similar though