How was Rick Carlisle as a coach?

Post #21 » by **PR07** » Sat May 3, 2008 6:26 pm

Yeah, I remember thinking that year. It's over...Detroit just got Rasheed Wallace for free.

fdefore · Post #22 » by **fdefore** » Sat May 3, 2008 7:37 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Well, we did overachieve, but I don't think you can say that he brought the most out of that Detroit roster considering his successor won a championship there in his first year that Carlisle couldn't bring there.

That is absurd. Carlisle was there for two years when Dumars dumped him. The season before Rick got there the team went 32-50. Carlisle took them to back to back 50-win seasons, won their first playoff series in ten years and took them to the ECF. He only got one season with Billups, Rip and Tayshaun (though admittedly he rarely played Prince) and the Pistons didn't look all that spectacular until the Rasheed Wallace trade during Brown's first season.

The Pistons sure as hell overachieved the first year and you can imagine he would have improved during the third. Also remember, one Tayshaun Prince block and Larry Brown doesn't win the Pistons a championship.

As to the original post...

Rick Carlisle is a tremendous coach. People complain about his slow-down offense but that is because people forget what his offense looked like when he was running it as an assistant for Bird and during the brawl season. Rick is an offensive wizard of sorts and unlike a coach like Jim O'Brien, Carlisle looks at his players and utilizes offesive sets that maximize the team's potential and strengths. Why did it become slog-ball? Because when you slow down the tempo you minimize mistakes and with Jamaal Tinsley leading an offense (or Anthony Johnson or Eddie Gill) there are going to be a lot of mistakes. Does Rick have drawbacks? Of course. He tends to micromanage the offense BUT if you have a PG like Kidd instead of a clown like Tinsley maybe Rick lets go. Rick also is highly politicized when it comes to interviews or his radio show or whatever. Jim O'Brien being a straight-shooter was a refreshing change (saying that Tinsley wasn't part of the Pacers plans) -- Rick would have been much more vague and ultimately positive.

Ultimately I would expect MAJOR improvements in Big D with Carlisle at the helm.

Post #23 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun May 4, 2008 5:05 am

I was thinking of starting this as a separate thread, but got lazy.

How about us hiring Avery?

Post #24 » by **Miller4ever** » Sun May 4, 2008 5:09 am

count55 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What does it mean when your entire post is a quote?

Post #25 » by **Grang33r** » Sun May 4, 2008 6:27 am

Miller4ever wrote:I was thinking of starting this as a separate thread, but got lazy.

How about us hiring Avery?

I wouldn't mind Mike D'Antoni. Bird loves Europeans, maybe he goes after a Euro coach? lol

I don't think he stays with the Suns.

Post #26 » by **count55** » Sun May 4, 2008 8:29 am

Miller4ever wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What does it mean when your entire post is a quote?

It means you said what I wanted to say, and I didn't see any need to change anything on it, but wanted to agree with it. It's kind of lazy, but it also has a point...it's roughly the same as saying "what he said".

cdash · Post #27 » by **cdash** » Sun May 4, 2008 12:32 pm

Dont we have a coach? D'Antoni would be an extremely hot commodity in the event that he is let go by the Suns, I have a hard time envisioning him picking Indiana over more glamorous jobs such as the Bulls job or the Knicks job. Obie is working fine for me. I dont think given the circumstances this season that you could have asked a coach to do a whole lot better.

Post #28 » by **PR07** » Sun May 4, 2008 8:17 pm

I like Avery Johnson, but I don't think he's worth firing Jim O'Brien for at this time. He definitely helped the Mavs turn things around, but I think he gets out-coached sometimes (like last post season when he altered his starting lineup to match up with the Warriors despite being the higher seed).

Until we get a better core of players, I don't think it really matters who coaches this team. I'm sure someone like D'Antoni would be thrilled to go from Steve Nash to Jamaal Tinsley in his uptempo system. :roll:

Post #29 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon May 5, 2008 1:34 am

fdefore wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That is absurd. Carlisle was there for two years when Dumars dumped him. The season before Rick got there the team went 32-50. Carlisle took them to back to back 50-win seasons, won their first playoff series in ten years and took them to the ECF. He only got one season with Billups, Rip and Tayshaun (though admittedly he rarely played Prince) and the Pistons didn't look all that spectacular until the Rasheed Wallace trade during Brown's first season.

The Pistons sure as hell overachieved the first year and you can imagine he would have improved during the third. Also remember, one Tayshaun Prince block and Larry Brown doesn't win the Pistons a championship.

I firmly believe that Carlisle did improve that Piston team. However, my argument is that those players improved even more after Carlisle left. Rip Hamilton really put everything together that championship year, Billups became a leader, and Tayshaun actually played and became the glue of that team, all after Carlisle left. Larry Brown was the man to finish off that job there. Carlisle did great, but Brown, with the help of Rasheed, is what put them over the top.

arkuo · Post #30 » by **arkuo** » Mon May 12, 2008 10:21 am

another follow up question fellas...

how was carisle's relationship with his players? was he a power tripper or was he a player's coach?

secondly, how was his relationship with guys like ron artest before when he was in indy?

blue_gold7 · Post #31 » by **blue_gold7** » Mon May 12, 2008 3:35 pm

arkuo wrote:another follow up question fellas...

how was carisle's relationship with his players? was he a power tripper or was he a player's coach?

secondly, how was his relationship with guys like ron artest before when he was in indy?

I feel like he is a little of both. He is a players coach, only problem is that he plays favorites.