PG Stats!!!

MUpacersSIC · Post #1 » by **MUpacersSIC** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:16 pm

So this was on draft express. It compares, statistically, all the point guards in the draft and I must say this makes George Hill look pretty impressive. However, you probably have to compare the competition that they faced throughout the year so it may not really mean as much. But it's still pretty interesting. Here's the link:

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jus ... Crop-2919/

Post #2 » by **count55** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:26 pm

I like George Hill, and if we took a big guy like Speights at 11, I'd love to get Hill @ 41.

(Hint...Hint....mizzou...are you there....:winkgrin)

Post #3 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:43 pm

Well, I know Granger wasn't going against the toughest competition, averaging 19 and 8, and he's close to duplicating it against NBA competition, so I think that competition isn't the biggest factor when refuting stats. Players who know how to get productivity are as valuable as players who could potentially have the same productivity, or even better. (Where's Charlie Villanueva now? I think Granger won that one).

Orlock78 · Post #4 » by **Orlock78** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:08 am

I don't think you can read too much into these stats. In nearly all of them Rose is middle of the pack or worse, and you can't tell me you'd even consider taking George Hill over Rose. According to those stats the 2 top point guards in college ball were merely OK when compared to their relative peers.

ahartleyvu · Post #5 » by **ahartleyvu** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:17 pm

I would literally kill myself if we picked Speights w/ the 11th pick.

joew8302 · Post #6 » by **joew8302** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:28 pm

ahartleyvu wrote:I would literally kill myself if we picked Speights w/ the 11th pick.

Not that I would be thrilled with the pick, but he does help satisfy a need in terms of interior defense and rebounding. That statement is a little strong.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #7 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:39 pm

I like Speights a lot. What doesn't he have that would make him a bad pick at #11? Fantastic production, great size, and an NBA body as a 20 year old. If there's an Amare/Boozer/Al Jefferson big man in this draft, I think it's Speights.

ahartleyvu · Post #8 » by **ahartleyvu** » Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:50 pm

Nbadraft.net has him going 19th
Draftexpress has him going 23rd

Picking him w/ the 11 is a big time REACH. We also have enough PFs. If we trade JO and receive a late 1st Rd in the package, sure I'll take Speights. 11th pick?! We need to trade down.

It's also funny you list interior defense when his scouting report says that defensive awareness and fundamentals are apart of his weaknesses.

Not to mention it lists: conditioning, work ethic, academic issues, motivation, etc. That is just asking for another inconsistent trouble maker. And a reach pick at that.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #9 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:15 am

ahartleyvu wrote:Nbadraft.net has him going 19th
Draftexpress has him going 23rd

Picking him w/ the 11 is a big time REACH. We also have enough PFs. If we trade JO and receive a late 1st Rd in the package, sure I'll take Speights. 11th pick?! We need to trade down.

It's also funny you list interior defense when his scouting report says that defensive awareness and fundamentals are apart of his weaknesses.

Not to mention it lists: conditioning, work ethic, academic issues, motivation, etc. That is just asking for another inconsistent trouble maker. And a reach pick at that.

How can you argue against his production?

Those are his numbers last season, and his numbers extrapolated to 35 minutes. Fantastic all-around. And these were numbers put up in the SEC, not some small-time conference. He's just a 20 year old sophomore, so he should have plenty of room to grow. He measured out well, .

Production? Check.
Size? Check.
Skills? Check.
Athleticism? Check.
Upside? Check.

I can't see how he'd be a bad pickup at #11. He may have a poor work ethic, he may not. There are always those types of rumors going around.

As for the mock drafts - who cares? Go to webarchive.com and look back on some of the mock drafts with two weeks to go until the draft. They're always way off. And if you wanna go with mock drafts, Draft Express had him as the #4 pick next year had he stayed in school. He's that good of a prospect.

I think Speights is the dark-horse of the draft. I think he's got everything needed to be a stud in the NBA, and I wouldn't be disappointed at all if we picked him up at #11.

ahartleyvu · Post #10 » by **ahartleyvu** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:02 am

It's a reach no matter how you look at it. He's simply not a 11th pick.

You and I both know that you can't translate statistics throughout a full game or extended minutes. Basketball is too much of a conditioning game which surprise, he has a bad history with.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #11 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:12 am

ahartleyvu wrote:It's a reach no matter how you look at it. He's simply not a 11th pick.

You and I both know that you can't translate statistics throughout a full game or extended minutes. Basketball is too much of a conditioning game which surprise, he has a bad history with.

I think he's got everything needed to be a star at the next level, which is why I'm confident he'll end up going lottery.

6'10", 250 lb. athletic, skilled, great production, and still just 20, so untapped potential. How can that not go lottery?

As for where he's currently rated in the mock drafts....

The June 3rd, 2002 NBADraft.net mock Amare Stoudemire going #18 and Carlos Boozer going #25.

The June 9th, 2004 NBADraft.net mock has Al Jefferson going #21.

The June 3rd, 2005 NBADraft.net mock had Andrew Bynum going #23.

So I wouldn't put much stock into any of that.

cdash · Post #12 » by **cdash** » Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:51 am

NBAdraft.net sucks. I hope we can all at least agree on that much, lol. I do think Speights is a reach at #11, but not an egregious reach. I like a lot more than the Jordan, Koufos, McGree group.