Tinsley to New York?

[pacershereiam]

Walsh said they are looking to do a sign and trade to land a point guard or big man. What are the chances we trade Tinsley to New York? Walsh really likes him, I have a feeling.

[APerna]

I have a feeling that they wouldn't touch him with a 700-mile long poll (roughly the distance from NYC to Indianapolis), but I actually hope that I'm wrong.

[cavsfan_osiris]

You guys can forget about getting anything for Tinsely, he obviously has absolutely no trade value. Everyone knows Indiana is going to buy him out. The idea of Walsh bringing one of his biggest headaches to New York with him is preposterous.

[Indy07]

The idea that a cavaliers fan would know more about Donnie Walsh and his relationship with Tinsley than a Pacers fan is preposterous. Walsh always liked him as a player...

[dwpacer]

In the same article there is interest in New York persay, but they do not have the infrastructure to deal with Tinsley's baggage issues.

But like I've said in about 500 other posts, the baggage on Tinsley is minimal. He nor Daniels can have a felony on their record for 2 years, roughly March 2010. If they do, they go to jail and David Stern voids what's left of their contracts.

[Scoot McGroot]

It's merely a matter of how little Bird and Morway are willing to take back. We're not going to get anything to help us, so we might as well move Tinsley for another salary piece that we can move later on to try and shorten contracts. Once you buy a guy out, you're just screwed and can't do anything with the salary slot or the anchor on the books.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Agreed Scoot, however with the rumor going around that if we can't trade him we will just buy him out, I only imagine everyone will wait to get him as a FA instead of trading for him.

[pacershereiam]

What about this:
Mardy Collins
Jared Jeffries

For
Jamaal Tinsley
2nd rounder

Jeffries contract is a year shorter than Tinsley's. It is a no risk move for New York since none of these guys play much. Thoughts?

Ford/Jack/Diener/Collins
Dunleavy/Rush/Daniels
Granger/Williams/Graham
Foster/Murphy
Rasho/Hibbert

Tinsley/Robinson/Marbury
Crawford/Jones
Richardson/Gallinari/Balkman/Chandler
Randolph/Lee/Rose
Curry/James/Morris

[PR07]

I don't think Walsh touches Tinsley. If anything, he's looking to get rid of bad character guys, so guys like Randolph, Curry, and Marbury are on their way out.

I don't like buying out Tinsley. I'd hold out as long as possible on it. We may have to take a bad contract out, but I think we could at least use Tinsley to bring back someone that can help us.

[basketballwacko2]

You guys can forget about getting anything for Tinsely, he obviously has absolutely no trade value. Everyone knows Indiana is going to buy him out. The idea of Walsh bringing one of his biggest headaches to New York with him is preposterous.

No I don't think we will buy him out I believe the story is bogus. Indiana has never bought out anyone. Now if he was in his last season of his contract yeah that might be the case, but he has 3 yrs remaining, in addition there is rumor that his knee is shot if that's the case he could be a medical retirement with the league insurance paying 80% of his salary and his numbers comming off the books, the date is Feb 5, 2009. Jamaals last game played was Feb 5, 2008, if he doesn't play in more than 10 games between the beginning of the season and Feb 5, 2009 we could ask the league to look at his knee, if it is shot we get the medical and boom boom, Jamaal is gone.

I'd make every effort to trade him before training camp gets here, offering up Shawne and or Daniels exp contract as incentive to anyone who will take them, and I'm not asking for much just a PF who can give us 15 min a night with a similar contract, doesn't have to be Joe Smith, or Drew Gooden. If the Knicks would do it I'd take Jeffriers or James, or the Kings would give SAR, or the Magic would give us Tony Battie, or maybe Jamaal and Daniels for Kenyon Martin even.

But if I can't trade JT before training camp, I'd bring him in assuming he's able to play, give him 3 to5 games in preseason to show us what he can do, show casing him. If he can get number and play some minutes then the teams that need a PG might be more willing to take a chance on him if they see he's playing and relatively health, I'm talking Sacto, NYK, the Clippers? Who's playing PG in Minny? Would they do JT for Brian Cardinal straight up? Yeah he's got the TRT but if traded one for one it can be done.

Point of all this is we don't need to rush into buying out Tinsley if he can't play the earliest date I'd even consider a buy out is Feb 5, 2009 or after so we can see about the medical. If we learned anything from the Steven Jackson thing it's that no player is untradeable.

[basketballwacko2]

It's merely a matter of how little Bird and Morway are willing to take back. We're not going to get anything to help us, so we might as well move Tinsley for another salary piece that we can move later on to try and shorten contracts. Once you buy a guy out, you're just screwed and can't do anything with the salary slot or the anchor on the books.

Exactly Scoot! This talk of a Tinsley buy out is premature at best I think it's wishful thinking on the part of the New York media, if we buy out JT the Knicks can sign him for min contract and you bet they would.

[basketballwacko2]

Actually someone correct me if this is wrong I was looking at Jamaals game log on ESPN again and he played in exactly 10 games after 12/29/2007. Could we establish that he was injured on or about that date? And could we then use that date to being the medical inquiry? I would not play him a single game before that date if we hold on to him. I don't think preseason games count. But if I'm correct and it's a max of 10 games following the injury it seems JT was hurt in the Dec 28th game at Detroit, and he has only played in 10 games since. JT was clearly not the same player he had been after that game the few games he played in bear that out. If he is in training came and not able to play, I'd put him on the inactive/unable to perform list if there is such a thing and wait till Dec 29th, get another exam, and if his knee is still bad go for the med. But I sure as hell wouldn't buy him out before I tried that.

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[FreeRon]

No such list. If you have a bunch of injured players you can apply to the NBA for a roster extension, but the Raptors and Pacers are the only ones I remember ever getting that...the Raptors when they only had 8 healthy players (7 disabled) and the Pacers when everyone and their brother was suspended or hurt...we dressed 8 guys for one game but only 6 were capable of playing...Reggie and one other player dressed but were physically unable to play.

[Grang33r]

If Isiah Thomas was still in charge in New York i would say Tinsley would be a favorite to go to the Knicks, but they have new guys running that place now and seems like they want to fix it. Fix the image and the team. Just like us. I don't see Tinsley being in their plans at all.

[CableKC]

It's merely a matter of how little Bird and Morway are willing to take back. We're not going to get anything to help us, so we might as well move Tinsley for another salary piece that we can move later on to try and shorten contracts. Once you buy a guy out, you're just screwed and can't do anything with the salary slot or the anchor on the books.

I totally agree with this...and thought the same after the end of the season.....but with Bird's comments about Tinsley in his recent News Conferences.....I think that it's become clear that they Tinsley's days in a Pacer Uniform are over. I've pointed it out before....but any GM that is interested in Tinsley will simply wait for him to be bought out and then sign him via FA.

I am sure that Bird will try to package him with Shawne to see if anyone bites....but I just don't want to take back a player that will mess up our Salary Cap Flexibility next season when we need it to resign Granger, Jack and Foster.

[basketballwacko2]

IF JT is bought out his salary is still on the cap. Let's say he is owed $21 million over 3 yrs if we buy him out for say 75% which is optomistic could be more like 80%, that's $15.75 million. You get hit for the amount of the buy out divided by the number of years, which works out to $5.25 per year that can never be traded. I've said this about 4 times now but I don't think that gives us any "Flexability", tell him to go home, and not set foot in Conseco or associate with any of our players, and he can call us when he is physically able to play. He doesn't travel with the team or workout at the team facilities or practice with the team. If he is healthy in January trade him then.

[Scoot McGroot]

I am sure that Bird will try to package him with Shawne to see if anyone bites....but I just don't want to take back a player that will mess up our Salary Cap Flexibility next season when we need it to resign Granger, Jack and Foster.

With all the recent deals the Pacers have made, we have much more flexibility for next year under the luxury tax/salary cap. If we deal Tinsley for someone with the relatively same salary, we're going to be ok.