Next Season

Post #41 » by **count55** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 1:56 am

I would assume that Mark Boyle's statements were made in his capacity as spokesman for the Indiana Pacers, and the information was provided to him by the Indiana Pacers.

Post #42 » by **Gremz** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:09 am

count55 wrote:Mark Boyle said best case 12mos, worst case 18mos on the pre-game show Saturday night.

Yesterday or today, Dunleavy's father was more positive about 100% recovery and a quicker return, but still was non-specific.

None of us are medical experts, and none of us have direct information from the medical personnel involved, but the indications are that this injury is unprecedented among basketball players. My understanding (admittedly limited) is that they don't really know how it will respond.

My personal expectation is that he will probably try to play again, but I doubt that he'll ever be able to reach last year's performance again.

Not that it means anything more than just my speculation, but I am operating under the assumption that this is effectively a career ending (or at least, career altering) injury. I would like nothing more than for Mike to return as a healthy and productive player, but I don't know how we can expect it at this point.

We are effectively facing a worst case scenario, where we will be without Dunleavy's services, but it will linger long enough to prevent the Pacers from getting out from under his contract via medical retirement.

Troublesome. I feel for him, just as the doubters were coming around, this happens.

I hope above all else he can remain a healthy human being from this. It's such a shame to go through something like this when his career was progressing. Here's hoping for a complete recovery.

Just a thought, but will this change the draft strategy for us? If there is an uncertain timeline, surely we will have to accommodate the rotation during the off season, but is it via draft or other method now?

Post #43 » by **PR07** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:44 am

I think it makes the team want to bring Marquis Daniels back, but I doubt they can afford him with the option. They could draft another player, but it seems redundant to have another young, inexperienced SG when you already have one guy in Rush trying to learn the position. My guess is maybe they try to get a veteran around 3 million and squeeze it into their budget, maybe someone like Anthony Parker or Quentin Richardson.

Post #44 » by **Gremz** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:05 am

We should look into stealing Flip Murray back from Atlanta. He'll provide some stellar veteran minutes and could be available for a decent price. I would think they'd look to keep him though.

I think you're right though, I would prefer to see it addressed via Free Agency rather than the draft, unless of course we luck out and receive the #2 or #3 spot.

chatard5 · Post #45 » by **chatard5** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:53 am

There isn't much worse than disappointment diarrhea.

According to nbadraft.net, they've got Hill #3 and Greg Monroe going #10 in 2010 to... the Pacers! Those are the 2 I like, besides Griffin of course. They have Rubio in the 2010 draft, too. They have us getting Eric Maynor, a PG from VCU. That doesn't make much sense to me, I need a new site for draft info.

cdash · Post #46 » by **cdash** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:56 am

chatard5 wrote:There isn't much worse than disappointment diarrhea.

According to nbadraft.net, they've got Hill #3 and Greg Monroe going #10 in 2010 to... the Pacers! Those are the 2 I like, besides Griffin of course. They have Rubio in the 2010 draft, too. They have us getting Eric Maynor, a PG from VCU. That doesn't make much sense to me, I need a new site for draft info.

Oh dear. I made a mistake before where I posted that draftexpress.com was the bad site. I apologize, it is nbadraft.net. They were the one I was thinking of that don't know **** about the draft, and me, chatard, and M4E could start a draft website right now and it would instantly become more reliable than nbadraft.net.

Post #47 » by **Miller4ever** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:03 am

It'd be all cdash and chatard, I'll tell you that right now. I don't know jack about college hoops, and that translates into a bad case of the draft dumb-dumbs. And since I already have a bad case of disappointment diarrhea, and psychological issues causing me to go Cheryl Miller, I think that I'll leave the draft site to those guys.

Ha.

cdash · Post #48 » by **cdash** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:05 am

I don't watch a great deal of college basketball, I am just saying that nbadraft.net is that bad.

chatard5 · Post #49 » by **chatard5** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:28 am

I love college hoops. I can tell when a prospect is NBA ready or not. Really the thing is they have us getting a PG. We don't need a PG. It's pretty much common sense. cdash, we can do it. We'll have gremz do our international scouting.

Seriously though, if I look at something like nbadraft.net I can tell some teams just wouldn't draft those players. For example: they have OKC getting Brandon Jennings, a PG. Are they REALLLLY going to get a PG when they have Russell Westbrook? They are going to get the best big man available.

Wow, the more and more I look at this it is clear these people are idiots. Memphis gets a SG with the 4 pick? Why, so replace OJ Mayo? Or he can play up a spot for Rudy Gay?

chatard5 · Post #50 » by **chatard5** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:32 am

Man, I am looking at draftexpress now, they aren't too good either. Are the Wiz going to give up on Arenas and draft SG James Harden? Grizzlies get ANOTHER PG in Brandon Jennings?

Am I missing something? This just seems dumb, I really do want to make a website now.

cdash · Post #51 » by **cdash** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:29 am

chatard5 wrote:Man, I am looking at draftexpress now, they aren't too good either. Are the Wiz going to give up on Arenas and draft SG James Harden? Grizzlies get ANOTHER PG in Brandon Jennings?

Am I missing something? This just seems dumb, I really do want to make a website now.

Arenas plays the point in DC. I actually think Harden would be a great fit there. If Agent Zero ever got healthy, then you are talking about a starting five of: Arenas-Harden-Butler-Jamison-Blatche/Haywood/McGee. That is solid.

Boneman2 · Post #52 » by **Boneman2** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 3:07 pm

If draft sites would start giving explanations with their predictions than they would obviously recognize the same mistakes you guys are pointing out. Which leads me to believe that a lot of sites can't keep up with draft positions changing on a nightly basis. So if anybody would like to invest the time to critique every pick and maybe update it weekly, I'd definitely be interested taking a look and discussing. You gotta start somewhere, it might as well be here, where you have an audience.

Before Granger unexpectedly fell to us, I really wanted to draft Monta and was ridiculed. I'd still trade for him now. Last year before Thabeet pulled out I loathed him too, again ridiculed.

So be prepared to hear it.

Post #53 » by **PR07** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:16 pm

NBADraft.net is awful for projections, but they do start to improve about a few weeks before draft time. Their player profiles are hit or miss. They've been spot on, on some players, and awful on others. For instance, the fact that they compared DeShawn Stevenson to Michael Jordan when he came out of HS says it all.

Boneman2 · Post #54 » by **Boneman2** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:58 pm

^^^^Agreed.

After the draft spots are determined, many so-called gurus will get a lot more specific.

Honestly I would have been much more pleased with NBADraft.nets projection for us last season.

http://www.nbadraft.net/mocks/2008_nba_mock_draft.html

Randolph or Jordan would've been nice, but the thought we could have had both 19 year old phenoms disturbs me. Anthony was available at 13 and Jordan dropped harder than anyone, kind of like Granger's stock.

chatard5 · Post #55 » by **chatard5** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:31 pm

Well Marcus Williams was released by the Warriors. I am more and more thankful for Granger everyday. If Granger wouldn't have fallen we would be stuck with Gerald Green or Marcus Williams, right? Then again, we may have Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant.

Boneman2 · Post #56 » by **Boneman2** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:58 pm

^^^ We drafted Shawne the year Marcus was available, regardless we're lucky to have Granger.

Post #57 » by **Gremz** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:24 am

And will be forever grateful to the other teams who let him drop.

basketballwacko2 · Post #58 » by **basketballwacko2** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:04 am

greenway84 wrote:think we could do ford for sessions, 1st. i think having the 10th, 15th, 41st, and 50th pick in this years draft. As well as having Daniels EXP. I think we could land Chandler and still pick up either Greg Monroe, Al-Farouq Aminu, or DeJaun Blair.

Sessions/Jack/Deiner
Dunleavy/Graham
Granger/Rush
Chandler/Murphy/McRoberts
Hibbert/Foster

Plus or Rookie depending on who we pick up. This off the top of my head and I have NO IDEA if this is probable.

Let me see what kinda payroll is that? i'm too tired to add it up but i'm guessing $75 million or so including jamaal!

Sessions would have to be signed or are you doing an S&T for him giving TJ at what $8 million, and you left out jamaal.

basketballwacko2 · Post #59 » by **basketballwacko2** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:12 am

bballpacen wrote:
cdash wrote:
Whoa, whoa. Where are you getting this information from?
It is rather common knowledge that the reports on Dunleavy have him missing 12 months at least through 18 months... I believe there was a wiretap article last week stating that... However, yesterday there was a wiretap article, and I believe one in the Star about the operation went as well as it possibly could, and that he would recover more quickly, putting his return time around this time next year... Or the "best case scenario, 12 months...

He's only got 2 yrs left on his deal lets see if we can get him to take a medical and get the insurance to pay him get him off the books. He hasn't played since Feb. 6th so that time next yr we could be looking at that.

Post #60 » by **Gremz** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:56 am

Ugh, It's just so depressing. Poor guy.