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Gremz wrote:Miller4ever wrote:In Australia, you guys don't have Nacho Cheesier Doritos. Australians, they assume, don't know what nachos are, so instead they call it "Cheese Supreme" or something down there. Just another difference between your planet and mine.
Aha! Incorrect. We have both!
Spykes wrote:chatard5 wrote:The only money I have heard about where the Pacers want to cut back (or get help from tax payers? sort of unclear) is the price tag Conseco Fieldhouse has every year. By Pacers I mean the owners. I really like Maryland, therefore I am a big fan of Blake. I understand that there is more then talent that goes into NBA trades (or else Pau Gasol wouldn't have gotten traded). But we would want more in return for TJ. I would like to get Blake, though, and would trade TJ for him as long as we got something else of value in return (a pick). Most other fans will probably disagree.
I'm not fully up-to-date with the ownership situation in Indy, but I'm guessing that the owners of the Pacers also own the arena. When a teams owner is locked into a bad arena deal, they'll be forced to cut cost any-way-possible. The easiest way to cut salary and save money is to essentially do a salary dump with the roster.
The only other way the team can cut costs is to fire a lot of the arena staff. If you want to talk about a PR hit, the Pacers will take a lot more flak for putting 100 or so locals out of work than they would for shipping out a multi-million dollar basketball player for less than equal value.
And be aware that I'm speaking from experience here. Just a few years ago, the Blazers went through EXACTLY the same things that the Pacers are currently going through. The Blazers not only laid off a ton of staff during the lean times, but also made salary dump roster moves to cut costs. Believe me, they caught a lot more crap for the layoffs.
Again, I'm sure you guys would want more in return. Fans always want the most return possible. But you have to try and look at things from an owners perspective, not a fans perspective.
Pacers' owner Herb Simon said he doesn't want to move the club, though he acknowledges that the financial losses associated with running Conseco Fieldhouse have accelerated the past three years.
"I have no thought of leaving Indiana," he said. "Only a thought of preserving the Pacers and keeping them in Indiana. That's the only issue right here."
Simon, who has owned the team with his brother, Mel, since 1983, said he doesn't need help with the Pacers.
"We can handle the team," he said. "It's the operation of the facility that's causing us the problem. We're not asking anyone to pay for us. It's just the operating of the facility."
I have no idea what you're talking about, and clearly, neither do you.
count55 wrote:They are certainly looking to cut costs in all aspects, and I think they'd be amenable to a Ford-Blake deal, possibly. However, Portland would have to send along almost another $3mm in salaries, and I'm not sure who they'd use as filler. All of the guys in that range seem to be a part of their future.
I have no idea what you're talking about, and clearly, neither do you.
Miller4ever wrote:Honestly, with a Blake-Diener-Dunleavy-Murphy-Foster lineup, and McBob coming off the bench, and we'd be back in 1950.
I totally agree with count on this one.
I honestly like Blake. He is a good three-point shooter, and that's something we'd like on this team, and he's a decent passer. TJ has some amazing plays and has some amazing games, but in the grand scheme of things, Blake and Ford are about even when it comes to our team's success.
count55 wrote:The Simons do not own the Fieldhouse, they lease it. They also manage it, and as part of the management, they absorb the operating costs for Conseco. The lease has a clause allowing re-negotiation of the deal after 10 years if the Pacers can demonstrate a certain level of losses. That is the issue at hand right now, the Pacers want the CIB (Indianapolis' Capital Improvement Board) to take over the management of Conseco and the associated expenses.
They are certainly looking to cut costs in all aspects, and I think they'd be amenable to a Ford-Blake deal, possibly. However, Portland would have to send along almost another $3mm in salaries, and I'm not sure who they'd use as filler. All of the guys in that range seem to be a part of their future.
chatard5 wrote:count55 wrote:The Simons do not own the Fieldhouse, they lease it. They also manage it, and as part of the management, they absorb the operating costs for Conseco. The lease has a clause allowing re-negotiation of the deal after 10 years if the Pacers can demonstrate a certain level of losses. That is the issue at hand right now, the Pacers want the CIB (Indianapolis' Capital Improvement Board) to take over the management of Conseco and the associated expenses.
They are certainly looking to cut costs in all aspects, and I think they'd be amenable to a Ford-Blake deal, possibly. However, Portland would have to send along almost another $3mm in salaries, and I'm not sure who they'd use as filler. All of the guys in that range seem to be a part of their future.
Thanks count. If you combine my basketball knowledge with counts basketball knowledge it would equal count's basketball knowledge.
cdash wrote:...and you know this how?