Pacers to bring back Jack, and McRoberts

[greenway84]

Bird says he wants to bring them both back.

LINK HERE:
http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/58709/20090422/pacers_will_extend_offer_to_jack/

[Grang33r]

Good. Jarrett Jack actually impressed me a lot. If they bring back Jack then i really don't see the need to drafting another PG. Probably could wait another year to draft a PG. Ford and Jack is a pretty good combo to have. Any ideas how much Jack is asking for ?

I have no comments on McRoberts. Good role player i guess but that's all he is.

[DWCP2]

Jack will be tendered just shy of 2.9 million in a qualifying offer, while McRoberts will get a Bird rights contract, valued at roughly 854K, giving the Pacers the right to match offers made.

I think Jack will be playing off of that contract though, given how many PG's are going to be available in this draft, I don't see how any team will offer him anything remotely close to good money. If he waits till 2010, he could get a fairly better offer with fewer PG's available in draft as well as free agency.

[cdash]

I like it.

[MillerTime101]

I like it too, if we resign Jack to a long term reasonable contract it just makes the Bayless trade that much more lopsided in our favor.

Is this the end for TJ Ford in Indy? I hope not.

[cdash]

I doubt it. I'd hesitate to call that Bayless trade lopsided just yet too. He plays on a playoff team and he hasn't had a chance to prove himself. Switch Bayless and Rush teams and Rush is buried on the bench and Bayless is getting an opportunity to shine. That being said, we got the best of the trade without question in the short term.

[PDXKnight]

I doubt it. I'd hesitate to call that Bayless trade lopsided just yet too. He plays on a playoff team and he hasn't had a chance to prove himself. Switch Bayless and Rush teams and Rush is buried on the bench and Bayless is getting an opportunity to shine. That being said, we got the best of the trade without question in the short term.

It's a matter of perspective. Jack wasn't a fit here in Portland and we're more than happy that he's gone now. That's not to say that it's not nice seeing him succeed in Indy, but he just didn't fit our needs in PDX. That said, Rush certainly was a nice acquisition on Indy's part. I tend to think Bayless and Rush will be the defining factors of the trade when all is said and done. If Bayless can ever adjust his natural abilities to the NBA level, I see him having a very bright future ahead of him. That said, it's still quite up in the air if he can become the player we want him to be in Portland, and even if he does become that player, Rush could still ultimately be the better of the two. Like you said though, the only way we'll really know how this deal works out is the long-term. Once Bayless gets a decent amount of PT, it'll be much easier to tell how the deal worked out.

[count55]

The title of this thread is overstating the case. Essentially, Bird would like to do it, but it's far from a done deal. McBob should be no problem, as we'll probably be pretty much his only option, unless he wants to "try out" for other teams in the summer league. Jack will be more problematic.

It sounds like we're going to give the qualifying offer, then let him test the market. That's risky, and I'm sure we're hoping that he end up with a contract that we can afford to match.

On the topic of the trade, I am less interested in winning or losing a trade than I am in the trade being successful. In fact, I find the idea of "winning" or "losing" pretty silly. We could "win" the trade if Bayless completely busts, even if Jack leaves this summer, and Rush never becomes more than a bench player. We could "lose" the trade, even if Jack and Rush become the starting backcourt on a 50-win team, but Bayless turns into a superstar.

For the trade to be successful to the Pacers, they have to get good, long-term contributions out of at least Rush, probably Jack, and potentially McBob. For Portland, they need a good long-term performance out Bayless.

When I think of a good, successful trade, I always think of the McKey-Schrempf trade. Both teams got what they wanted, what they needed, and both teams were very happy. Those are the kinds of trades that are best for the long term health of the Pacers (and, IMO, all teams).

[Dcbaseballer52]

pretty silly to say that the Pacers are bringing these 2 back when all that has been said is they would LIKE to bring these 2 back

[basketballwacko2]

I'd like to see the team keep jack, mcRob and Graham. We should lose Rasho, Daniels, Tinsley, Baston and maybe TJ depending on what we can get for him. Baston could be back if he'll take a league minny deal. We'd need to add a PF or two and if TJ was to be traded we'd want to look for another PG in the draft like Ty Lawson.

[DougInOz]

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When I think of a good, successful trade, I always think of the McKey-Schrempf trade. Both teams got what they wanted, what they needed, and both teams were very happy. Those are the kinds of trades that are best for the long term health of the Pacers (and, IMO, all teams).

Nice post, and actually thinking about it I completely agree. The McKey-Schrempf example is perfect, loved that trade from the pacers point of view.

[Gremz]

There would be a distinct price in mind with Jack, it's all retrospective to a few things.

Firstly, the current economy.
While it's not exactly good what is happening with the world market, some franchises may have some reservations about spending this summer. It might not be as major as we think, but none the less until world finances clear up, it will be tough to say exactly how many teams will keep a lockdown on payroll.

Depending on the need of certain teams, we can look for those who actually would require a starting PG, or those that will overpay to receive a quality backup.

Atlanta- Interesting situation there with Bibby coming off contract. I'm sure they would pursue a player such as Iverson, perhaps Andre Miller or re-signing Bibby before Jack, but who knows.
Dallas- Not exactly sure whether Jack is enough to push them over the top, and I do believe it's the same boat as Atlanta here where bigger names would take priority, but with Cuban you never know.
Houston- Could take a gamble on him, but their salaries (even without a re-signed Artest) are pretty tied up right now.
LA Clippers- C'Mon! It's the Clippers, they're capable of anything.
LA Lakers- Have been quite sensible with salaries recently. Perhaps they can be ruled out.
Milwaukee- Could be in the hunt, but only if negotiations don't work out with Sessions.
Philadelphia- Depends what happens with Andre Miller, but they could very well be in the hunt.
Toronto- They lack depth and defense at the one spot.

Most other teams I believe would be too concerned with cap space, luxury tax, or they are reasonably ok at the PG spot. So of the list mentioned, possibly only Toronto can exceed the MLE (depending on the Marion situation) and perhaps Atlanta which will be decided on the re-signing of Marvin and/or Bibby.

Which then would lead the question as to how much can we afford? I realize between 4yr/16m and 4yr/20m numbers were thrown around, if that's the case, perhaps we can be fortunate enough to maintain a figure within that range.

Anyone see a team that could jeopardize our chances?