If you were Pacer's GM, what moves would you make?

[cdash]

Just playing around...

Moves (assuming there are no takers for Tinsley):
1. Resign Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts
2. Keep Marquis Daniels (uncertainty with Dunleavy and we have nobody else)
3. Trade T.J Ford to LAC for Marcus Camby (no PG, have Kaman, Thornton and Randolph)
4. Take a PG with 13th pick (slim pickings at PF)
5. Take SG/SF with #2 pick
5. Use MLE to target athletic frontourt player (Brandon Bass, Chris Wilcox, Stromile Swift, Etan Thomas)

Roster:
C Marcus Camby/Roy Hibbert/MLE
PF Troy Murphy/Jeff Foster/Josh McRoberts
SF Danny Granger/ Marquis Daniels (T)/Mike Dunleavy
SG Brandon Rush/Jarrett Jack/#2 pick
PF #1 pick/Jarrett Jack/Travis Diener/Jamaal Tinsley

Baron Davis.

[DannyGranger]

Just playing around...

Moves (assuming there are no takers for Tinsley):
1. Resign Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts
2. Keep Marquis Daniels (uncertainty with Dunleavy and we have nobody else)
3. Trade T.J Ford to LAC for Marcus Camby (no PG, have Kaman, Thornton and Randolph)
4. Take a PG with 13th pick (slim pickings at PF)
5. Take SG/SF with #2 pick
5. Use MLE to target athletic frontourt player (Brandon Bass, Chris Wilcox, Stromile Swift, Etan Thomas)

Roster:
C Marcus Camby/Roy Hibbert/MLE
PF Troy Murphy/Jeff Foster/Josh McRoberts
SF Danny Granger/ Marquis Daniels (T)/Mike Dunleavy
SG Brandon Rush/Jarrett Jack/#2 pick
PF #1 pick/Jarrett Jack/Travis Diener/Jamaal Tinsley

Did you forget that CLipps have Baron? Also, they'll most likely get the #2 pick and get Rubio also

[basketballwacko2]

Pacers can't afford to bring Daniels back, I'd rather keep Graham! If we extended Daniels we'd be looking at the tax threashold or about!

[Scoot McGroot]

Just playing around...

Moves (assuming there are no takers for Tinsley):
1. Resign Jarrett Jack and Josh McRoberts
2. Keep Marquis Daniels (uncertainty with Dunleavy and we have nobody else)
(Scoot insert: And right here we're already quite a bit over the luxury tax)
3. Trade T.J Ford to LAC for Marcus Camby (no PG, have Kaman, Thornton and Randolph)
(Another Scoot insert: Wow, even more over the luxury tax)
4. Take a PG with 13th pick (slim pickings at PF)
(Once again, a Scoot insert: can't afford it, we're hitting some serious luxury tax issues)
5. Take SG/SF with #2 pick
(Scoot: Doesn't matter, has to be cut from training camp due to luxury tax)
5. Use MLE to target athletic frontourt player (Brandon Bass, Chris Wilcox, Stromile Swift, Etan Thomas)
(Scoot: Holy crap, this puts us around $10-15 million, or more, over the luxury tax, meaning equal penalty payments. Indy can't pay an extra $20-30 million for what's still not a serious contender)

[b]Roster:[/b]
C Marcus Camby/Roy Hibbert/MLE
PF Troy Murphy/Jeff Foster/Josh McRoberts
SF Danny Granger/ Marquis Daniels (T)/Mike Dunleavy
SG Brandon Rush/Jarrett Jack/#2 pick
PF #1 pick/Jarrett Jack/Travis Diener/Jamaal Tinsley

[camaleon]

Hey Scoot, that was just a first stab, and yeah, was thinking more on the performace on the court than on the checkbook. Here's a second scenario. Starting with the possible roster.

ROSTER
C Roy Hibbert/Jeff Foster/#2 pick
PF Troy Murphy/MLE/Josh McRoberts
SF Danny Granger/#1 pick/Mike Dunleavy
SG Brandon Rush/Stephen Graham (FA)
PF Jarrett Jack/TJ Ford/Travis Diener (P)/Jamaal Tinsley

Moves:

1. Cut Marquis Daniels to avoid the luxury tax.

2. Resign Jarrett Jack, Josh McRoberts and Stephen Graham

3. MLE: Pursue an athletic 4 (assuming cutting Daniels allows us to avoid the tax), possible options:-Brandon Bass
-Chris Wilcox
-Stromile Swift
-Etan Thomas

4. Draft:
13th pick: Draft an athletic SG or SF with strong defensive skills.
Targets:
-James Johnson (SF)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-Johnson-5053
-Gerald Henderson (SG)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Gerald-Henderson-1042
-Terrence Williams (SG)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Terrence-Williams-507

I assume that the following players will be off the board:
-Blake Griffin
-Ricky Rubio (PG)
-Hasheem Thabeet
-James Harden
-Jordan Hill
-DeMar DeRozan
-Tyreke Evans
-Stephen Curry (PG)
-Brandon Jennings (PG)
-Earl Clark

The following players could be interesting at 13, but PG isn't a need area with Jack, Ford and Diener:
-Eric Maynor (PG)
-Ty Lawson (PG)
-Jonny Flynn (PG)

2nd Round:
-PF/C for camp

[IndieRuso420]

Re-sign Jack, McRoberts, Graham, and Diener

Trade TJ Ford & Jamaal Tinsley

Find a way to draft Thabeet

See if we can get a decent young big with less than the full MLE like Brandon Bass

Off-season over

[basketballwacko2]

Ok let me take a 2nd shot at this:

1. Don't extend Daniels. Can't afford him, tax issue!
2. Trade TJ to Dallas for Stackhouse, Jose Barea & #23 pick.
3. Trade Tinsley to Hawks for Claxton. Send Claxton + #23 to the Cavs for Sasha Pavlovic, Kinsey (filler) & #30

4. Cut Pavlovic contract is not guaranteed save $4 million. Cut Stackhouse he goes back to Dallas saves Pacers $5 million.

Pacers lose TJ and Jamaal get Barea, Kensey (who could be cut contract not guaranteed) #30 save $12 million.

Pacers pick #13 and #30.

Seems like we could get more out of TJ than this but I like the money savings!

[Scoot McGroot]

That's a pretty nice value for TJ though. Basically, you're using TJ Ford to not only shorten Tinsley's contract, but to have it expire immediately (with the non-guaranteed deal of Pavlovic), getting the #30 pick in the draft, and also cutting TJ Ford's contract by 75%. That's pretty damned amazing use of value.


Realistically though, I'm not sure Dallas would be willing to give up the #30 pick, nor would they include Barea. They like Barea as the cheap emergency PG, much like we do with Diener. Plus, they'd probably argue that being able to cut TJ Ford's contract by 75%, saving almost $6 million or so immediately, would be all the value they should give up in that deal. And in this economy, they might be right.

That then torpedoes the Cleveland deal possibility.


However, if we could get Stackhouse, Pavlovic, some non-guaranteed contract as filler from Cleveland (to make the deal work), and the #30 in return for TJ Ford and Jamaal Tinsley, I'm definitely in. We might have to return the 2 2nd round picks to Dallas in a deal like this (which I'd be ok with) to make it work for Dallas, which would then put the Cleveland deal back on the table, rounding out the roster.

Having the #13 and #30 is nice that you could get a PG at either spot (either a Maynor/Lawson/etc early, or a Collison/Mills/Calathes type late), or a PF at either spot (Blair, Clark, etc early, or a Hansbrough, Sam Young, Gani Lawal type later). Lots of flexibility there, especially salary-wise when making a deal like this.

I mean, I like Ford, but if we could use him to dump Tinsley, get us a late 1st, and save a ton of cash immediately, giving us major breathing space under the luxury tax both this year, and more importantly next year, I'm all for it.

[basketballwacko2]

I'd have no problem with giving Dallas those 2 2nd's back, I gotta think they won't be bringing Kidd back and TJ having his Texas roots would be a good fit considering we'd just cut Stack and they could have him right back the only sticking point might be JJ Barea, I'd be ok with Shawne Williams
Antoine Wright or Devon George instead, but I don't think we want Shawne back. Maybe if we were moving Shawne along in a 3 way say the JT to ATL part.

[autissium]

Trade 1: TJ and 09 2nd to Thunder for Watson and DJ White
Trade 2: Tins for Nazr
Resign Jack, McBob, and Graham
Draft T-will at 13 and try to buy a late 1st or early 2nd and pick a pg like Collison, Mills

Hibbert/Foster/Nazr
Murphy/White/McBob
Granger/T-will/Dun(INJ)
Rush/T-will/Graham
Jack/Watson/Mills?/TD

Wild card trade that im not sure I would want or they would do
Foster to Lakers for Farmar and Ammo
If that trade went through i would do everything the same except resigning Jack. Let him walk and throw all the money we have at a big in FA and hope a combo of Farmar/watson/deiner and draft pick could man the point

[Charcoal Filtered]

There is no way that Artest is coming back. Attendance is horrible and is not looking good for the future. There are just too many people that would not take him back and this team is questionable for the playoffs. A title anytime soon is a longshot since this team should float around lottery land for awhile.

Agree those that have said just to stay the course with the players we have. Would resign Rasho if he would take the minimum. Would not resign Marquis since Rush needs the burn.

This team was overhauled a year ago. After one full season together, they should improve on what I consider a successful showing.

[chatard5]

Yeah... Artest isn't realistically coming back, so I guess I'd have to take that part off. I would welcome him back, though, and think we could be a 4 or 5 seed with him. I am okay with keeping the same team, but would prefer a PG like Blake or Hinrich (save some money, also they pass and hit 3s). Again, I don't think we will get anything long-term with the #13 (just not that deep, I don't like our chances). I realllly hope I am wrong! I'd be very interested to see what we do if we land the #2 or 3 pick.

[Charcoal Filtered]

Forgot to add that there is no way that Chicago is trading Hinrich and Tyrus for that.

Getting Hinrich for TJ could possibly be justified. Foster and #13 makes no sense for Tyrus. They got veteran leadership with Brad Miller and also need minutes for Noah. You already admit that the 13 does not hold much value.

[chatard5]

I am talking about just Hinrich, right now. Thomas can be had. Chicago won't be able to afford all their youngsters. They need to sign Noah soon and Rose in a few years. They just can't keep Thomas around, unless they want to get rid of Noah. I agree, they need more than #13 and Foster. I believe I said there probably won't be anything left that would help the Pacers at #13. I did say it isn't very deep but we need a PF. The good ones should be gone by the time we draft. If a different team (Not Chicago) wanted a PG, they could get one there. Somebody like James Harden Or Brandon Jennings could possibly fall. Teams would also have interest in DeRozan, Curry, and Tyreke Evans.

[basketballwacko2]

I'd agree the Bulls will be making moves but don't know who, they might look to move Deng or let Gordon go and keep Deng! They have lots of young talent!

[Charcoal Filtered]

Chicago can certainly keep both Noah and Thomas. Miller, James, and the other Thomas have ending contracts for next year. I would believe that they would shed salary by either not signing Gordon to a huge contract this offseason, trading Hinrich for salary relief, or chosing between Salmons or Deng before giving up on a 22 yr. old PF that averaged nearly 3 blocks and a steal in the Boston series. As you said, there are just not that many options out there at PF.

Another thing to consider with Hinrich is that his contract is one year longer that TJ's. Not for sure that Kirk's play is that much better than what we have with JJ and TJ for the next couple of years. 8M in cap space would probably be better spent in other areas since the only contract of size will be Granger's for 2011/12.