Predicting Summer Roster Moves

[Dunthreevy]

I'm gonna say this and I know I'm gonna get bashed by several people on here, but....


bring back Ron Artest!

[cdash]

I'm gonna say this and I know I'm gonna get bashed by several people on here, but....


bring back Ron Artest!

[IndieRuso420]

I'm gonna say this and I know I'm gonna get bashed by several people on here, but....


bring back Ron Artest!

Someone needs to tune out Dokich....

Artest will never ever be a pacer and if his sons ever play NBA ball I doubt his sons will ever be Pacers.

[Scoot McGroot]

I'm gonna say this and I know I'm gonna get bashed by several people on here, but....


bring back Ron Artest!

Good God.


It's like we act like the fall of the Pacers never happened.

[fienX420]

A McGrady deal would only give us cap space (he's probably out as long as Dunleavy). If they both get healthy, we'd have solid wings going into the playoffs - but our front court would be very weak unless Hansbrough is the next Bird. Murphy is worth more.

And as much as I love Artest, he wouldn't fit into this roster anymore.

I think we need to pretty much stand pat at this point. Bring back Jack and McBob - I doubt anybody makes either of them an offer (but a team would be smart to try and get Jack). Buy out Tinsley. Bring in some minimum salaried free agents to flush out the roster. I think we'll have a pretty good team. Ideally, I'd like to swap out Ford for a different look at PG, but it's a tricky deal to pull off. Ford could still prove to be a worthwhile option.

[Dunthreevy]

Right now I'd be perfectly content going into the season with the core roster that we have now. I'm fine with Jack/Ford starting at the PG spot, Rush at SG, Granger at SF, Murph at PF, and Hibbert/Foster at C. I'm good with our bench as is, and if we can add a solid wing player via free agency, that would be great. Do I think that we are going to bring in a Charlie Villanueava? No. Would I like to? Yes. But I'm fine as we are, and maybe signing a 4 or 5 year veteran wing player to come in and help us out until Mikey Jr. is back.

[MillerTime101]

Mcgrady? really? The guy makes 20million, will be out half of next season, plays the same position as Dunleavy, Rush and Granger and is washed up. Can you find a worse fit?

I'm gonna say this and I know I'm gonna get bashed by several people on here, but....


bring back Ron Artest!

I guess that answers that....

[PR07]

I would package 2 of 3 of Murphy, Dunleavy, and Ford for McGrady in a second. The cap relief outweighs the production in my mind because I don't see any of these guys as the long-term answer.

[fienX420]

Cap space is only really valuable if you can bring free agents in. The Pacers have never really been able to do that. I don't think there are players that will actually come here as free agents that are better than most of the players we currently have. We have to be very careful when we dump salary. We have to get assets. Example - we traded JO - we dumped a lot of salary (Maceo and Rasho expired), but we also got Hibbert and Ford. I bet we could've dumped JO for Marion, which would've been great for last season, and saved us even more money this season, but it's probably smarter to get some pieces that stick. We have to balance competing now and competing in the future - both are vitally important to keeping the Pacers.

[MillerTime101]

I would package 2 of 3 of Murphy, Dunleavy, and Ford for McGrady in a second. The cap relief outweighs the production in my mind because I don't see any of these guys as the long-term answer.

We are trying to build our fanbase back up, you dont do that by trading 3 of your starters that play hard and are great in the community for cap relief, thats pretty much a big middle finger to the fans.

As Fienx420 mentioned bringing in big time FA isnt the Pacer way, we draft/trade for young talent, develop it and then use our cap room to keep them.

[Train7492]

I would have to say yes to a T-Mac trade but I think a deal of Foster, Dunleavy, Tinsley would be better. They really don't need Murphy, he is more of a PF than a C and that is what they need.
That way it would leave us Ford to maybe move for something else.

BUT

I would really like to see us do Foster, Denier for Lawson, Balkman, Hunter trade and then go after Gortat.
Then move Ford to the Blazers for Blake, Webster.

Jack, Blake, Lawson, Price
Rush, Webster
Granger, Balkman, Dunleavy
Murphy, Psycho-T, McRoberts
Hibbert, Gortat

[MillerTime101]

I just saw Josh Childress is talking with the Bucks, would we have any interest? He seems to fit our need at the wing position and is known as a good defender.

He could be had for 4.8 million (assuming the Hawks dont match). I probably wouldnt go over 4.8 but I think its worth a shot since ATL just traded for Crawford.

[Wizop]

Yes, lets have our starters come off the bench as a way of adding depth to our bench, that's genius. Seriously, how do you come up with these brilliant ideas. Amazing that no one has ever thought of playing there best players less before.

Boston won 9 championships under Red Auerbach bringing it's best player off the bench. they called it the Boston 6th man. at the time Red never said that his 6th man was actually better than one of the starters but he said it after he retired. there used to be an article around here explaining his system. Ramsey, Heinsohn, and Havlicek all came off the bench for Boston.

in the pro game who is on the court at the end is more important than who is on the court at the beginning.

[Scoot McGroot]

Cap space is only really valuable if you can bring free agents in.

Not necessarily true. Cap space provides such a level of flexibility, especially in trades and re-signing your own players that it's remarkable what you can do.

Detroit built up a championship contending roster for 5 years or more by having some cap space by being left behind by their superstar in Grant Hill, but getting the pieces they needed in trades by absorbing contracts and getting 2nd hand players in Free Agency to join them.

[8305]

Tinsley will not be bought out unless there is substantial salary savings for the Pacers. He's owed 15 mil my guess is the Pacers are offering 10 or 11 mil.

McRoberts will be back.

They need an upgrade of Graham given the minutes available until Dunleavy returns. Dante Jones and Luther Head would be upgrades.

Jack returns unless someone offers something unrealistic. In this market hopefully he can be had for something between 3 and 4 mil maybe 4 years. I think discussions with Shannon Brown represent a backup plan for Jack not being resigned.

[PR07]

We are trying to build our fanbase back up, you dont do that by trading 3 of your starters that play hard and are great in the community for cap relief, thats pretty much a big middle finger to the fans.

First of all, you would only be trading 2 of the 3 players. Second, Dunleavy is no longer the starter and likely won't be upon his return if Rush plays at all reasonably well. Third, fans aren't exactly clamoring to see these guys play. A name like T-Mac might drop more fans in its own right (if he plays), then those guys combined. I'd perform the trade moreso for cap relief, but I think if T-Mac could stay healthy, and again, that's a big if, fans might want to see him. He is a big name. I don't think we'll ever see 30 ppg T-Mac, but I think he can still muster 15-18 ppg.

I think Ford, Dunleavy, and Murphy are all transition players. Players that probably won't be with the organization when/if they become contenders again. They are certainly not off-lmits if it means saving millions financially, and if it also means giving the organization flexibility in adding some nice young pieces through free agency.

[freeman]

I think there's a lot of guys in this year's free agent market that could really be a part of Bird's "team of the future", they might not be big names but i think these guys could really excel given enough playing time. They're young, mostly are outstanding college players, have high-potentials and skills, tough, hard-nosed guys. And most of all, they could be cheap. Really cheap.
I just made a quick run into the free agent listings and here are some names i've gathered.

Rodney Carney
Dahntay Jones
Aaron Gray
Luther Head
Gerald Green
Joey Graham
Ryan Hollins
Rashad McCants
Robert Swift
Shelden Williams
Shannon Brown
Von Wafer

I think we're pretty much set at the pg position, unless something's cooking.
We need an sg/sf or a pure sf to back-up Danny.
We need an intimidator at the 4 or 5, a defensive presence up front.

[basketballwacko2]

Add it to the list.....

Vote no to TMAC!

Only way I take McGrady is if we are sending out Tinsley as part of the deal. Something like JT, Ford and Foster for McGrady, and Brooks, and I'd add a future #1 protected if they'd add in Landry. McGrady starts at SG until he gets hurt or Rush beats him out and then he can back up SG/SF for the rest of the season. Resign Jack PG by Committee with Jack and Brooks, Hibbert starts at C. with Murph/Tyler/Landry at PF and back up Center. If Dunleavy gets healthy in Jan we might be able to move McGrady for some good stuff, as long as the salary coming in is 20% or so less than going out!