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Nope. That's the problem. Murphy can't get us a 1st round pick. Vastly different contract situations, where Foster is owed almost half as much money as Murphy. Same length, yes. However, Foster has been a league favorite for years. Murphy is just now working his way into the status of being a "not so bad contract if he's what you're looking for" type player.
However, I'm sure Bird is checking the value on Murphy. He stated so at the beginning of the summer. He said the only immovable guys were Granger, Rush, and Hibbert. That leaves Murphy as being movable. And we would LOVE to move him, but the value just isn't there.
However, I'm sure Bird is checking the value on Murphy. He stated so at the beginning of the summer. He said the only immovable guys were Granger, Rush, and Hibbert. That leaves Murphy as being movable. And we would LOVE to move him, but the value just isn't there.
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If Murphy plays this coming season like he did last-and theres no real reason to think he wont-then his value will be quite high come trade deadline time in Feb. 2010. That would be the time to see what we might be able to get that we feel like could improve the team. A year ago, he was pretty much untradeable. Now, you could probably trade him, but not get too great of a return. He has another half season like he did last year and only has a little over a year left on his deal-then you should be able to get some decent return for him.
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I don't really want to see us trade Troy - I think it would be a mistake. A lot of people come down on Troy because of his defensive short-comings, but I think he actually brings a vastly important facet to the table. Defense at the NBA level is very, very dependent on playing as a team. A great individual defender surround by terrible defenders isn't going to have a fantastic impact. As a team, the players have to force the opposition into less successful situations. If you are a slower player and your man can get by you, it's not the end of the world - at least you can force him to go to his non-favored side or funnel him towards your team's shot-blocker. Mike Dunleavy (when healthy) is a good example of a good team defender. He plays smart, and while not super quick on his feet, he's still long and he's willing to take a charge (I believe he was among league leaders in 07-08). Defense doesn't end until you secure the defensive rebound - and lo and behold, Troy Murphy was THE best defensive rebounder in the league this past season. With the continued development of Roy Hibbert as a shot-blocker and shot-altering presence, it is essential for him to be paired with someone who can secure the ball on missed shots. So while Troy isn't great individually, Roy can help by altering a shot and Murphy can focus on getting the rebound. With Foster getting older, Troy is essentially the only guy currently on the roster who can fill that vital roll on defense. And one could argue he is among the best at filling that roll among all the players in the league. It's not realistic to expect Roy Hibbert to defend the basket by altering shots AND securing the ball on those misses. Dwight Howard and Marcus Camby are pretty much the only players in the league who are that versatile on defense. I am big on stats, so besides the above note that Troy is one of the premier defensive rebounders in the NBA, I will also point to this website which does in-depth statistical analysis of the impact of NBA players...
http://www.wagesofwins.com/Top152009.html
As you can see, for 08-09, Troy ranked as an elite big man (and NBA player in general) as far as individual effort translated into team success.
http://www.wagesofwins.com/Top152009.html
As you can see, for 08-09, Troy ranked as an elite big man (and NBA player in general) as far as individual effort translated into team success.
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Detroit fan here.
Would you guys do a rip for troy deal?
I see some of you guys trying to get rid of him.
ford
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granger
Thats a solid pg, allstar sg and all star sf.
Would you guys do a rip for troy deal?
I see some of you guys trying to get rid of him.
ford
rip
granger
Thats a solid pg, allstar sg and all star sf.
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dlo62282 wrote:Detroit fan here.
Would you guys do a rip for troy deal?
I see some of you guys trying to get rid of him.
ford
rip
granger
Thats a solid pg, allstar sg and all star sf.
Depending how much is still owed on Rip's contract I'd think about doing that, and let Rush continue to grow for another season. It would put us in a situation where we would have to throw Hansbrough in the starting rotation way too soon though. I don't see a deal like that happening at all but it's interesting to think about.
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With all the other deals that have been going on, Rip makes the Dahntay Jones signing a bit redundant, but I would really like that.
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Dunthreevy wrote:dlo62282 wrote:Detroit fan here.
Would you guys do a rip for troy deal?
I see some of you guys trying to get rid of him.
ford
rip
granger
Thats a solid pg, allstar sg and all star sf.
Depending how much is still owed on Rip's contract I'd think about doing that, and let Rush continue to grow for another season. It would put us in a situation where we would have to throw Hansbrough in the starting rotation way too soon though. I don't see a deal like that happening at all but it's interesting to think about.
Doesnt make much sense considering we already have 22million invested in Dunleavy over the next two seasons and Brandon Rush who has shown he is in all likely hood already ready to take over the rains. IMO Rush starting at shooting guard isnt as big of a weakness as Hansbrough or Foster starting at PF.
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Crossova21 wrote:Everyone keeps talking about trading TJ but I don't see why we couldn't trade Murph. Don't get me wrong I like Murph's game but we've found ourselves with a bunch of big men and are kinda thin at point guard.
With Foster, Hibbert, Hansbrough, and McRoberts we do have a decent frontline. Outside of Granger, Murph is our best trade chip to grab another starting caliber point guard. I haven't been to the trade checker yet but think of who we could get with a Murph and Ford package. Then again that would still leave us thin at point guard. I was just wondering what kind of market there was for Murph
BTW why not bring back Daniels. Last time I checked he did run the point a few times when he was with us and he already knows the system. He couldn't cost more than Jack.
hey there crossova21 you are crazy weain't going to get rid murphy
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We wouldn't trade Troy because of all the things he's done for us. With the double-doubles, and the leadership that I saw out of him last season, we can't afford to lose him.
Rebounding was one of our problems two years ago, Murphy fixed that last year. The three point shooting is also a huge part of his game that helped us a lot last year.
Honestly, I don't see the point to this thread. Murphy is better and that's all there is to it, that's the honest and simple truth.
Rebounding was one of our problems two years ago, Murphy fixed that last year. The three point shooting is also a huge part of his game that helped us a lot last year.
Honestly, I don't see the point to this thread. Murphy is better and that's all there is to it, that's the honest and simple truth.
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dlo62282 wrote:Detroit fan here.
Would you guys do a rip for troy deal?
I see some of you guys trying to get rid of him.
ford
rip
granger
Thats a solid pg, allstar sg and all star sf.
Nope. We've got Rush, Granger, Dunleavy, and Dahntay Jones at the 2 and 3 spots now. We can't afford to add another big money long-term deal to the books in Rip Hamilton when it would empty us out of almost any veteran presence at the PF spot (unless we move Jeff Foster over to PF, start Hibbert, and have Josh McRoberts as the backup C......not gonna happen).
It's a non-starter for on-court needs, and the salary is just another anchor that would keep this deal from even being considered.
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MillerTime101 wrote:Dunthreevy wrote:dlo62282 wrote:Detroit fan here.
Would you guys do a rip for troy deal?
I see some of you guys trying to get rid of him.
ford
rip
granger
Thats a solid pg, allstar sg and all star sf.
Depending how much is still owed on Rip's contract I'd think about doing that, and let Rush continue to grow for another season. It would put us in a situation where we would have to throw Hansbrough in the starting rotation way too soon though. I don't see a deal like that happening at all but it's interesting to think about.
Doesnt make much sense considering we already have 22million invested in Dunleavy over the next two seasons and Brandon Rush who has shown he is in all likely hood already ready to take over the rains. IMO Rush starting at shooting guard isnt as big of a weakness as Hansbrough or Foster starting at PF.
I definitely agree with you about Rush. I was just saying that on the off chance that Rush does stumble back and play like he did early last season, it would be nice to have a vet like Hamilton to start in front of him. Hamilton is a damn good player but we likely don't need him (as long as we continue to see the Rush we saw the last 2 months of the season), and definitely don't need him more than we need Troy.
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Rip Hamilton is really expensive for a Brandon Rush backup plan, though.
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Miller4ever wrote:Rip Hamilton is really expensive for a Brandon Rush backup plan, though.
Agreed.
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